God takes a swipe at Osama...

PanTheMan · 10-09-2005, 03:08 PM

Quote:

S. Asia Quake Hits Area Where Osama Hides

WASHINGTON - No evidence suggests that the deadly earthquake that rocked Pakistan on Saturday injured or killed the world's top terror leader, Osama bin Laden.

The quake shook the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where bin Laden is hiding. However, authorities at this point have no information indicating he's been injured or killed, said a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the information's sensitivity.

Bin Laden guided the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks aimed at New York City and Washington.

WOW..We know where he is, We Wont go there and get him, and according to THIS article HE was behind the 9/11 attacks, Not Saddam.... How about that? Think someone should tell Bush? I know Bush Said he was no longer concerned with Osama, "didn't think about him much" but I'm sure the families of those injured and Killed on 9/11 think about asshola Bin Laden everyday.

I know it serves Bushes porpose to keep the 'Boogy Man' out there, but he might want to rethink that looking at his poll numbers.

PanTheMan · 10-09-2005, 03:20 PM

oh...and I titled this thread as such seeing Religious leaders think God is nailing the US, why not Osama too?

Name · 10-09-2005, 03:27 PM

God only nailed one person as far as I know, and that was Mary.....

scaeagles · 10-09-2005, 05:33 PM

I don't think that Bush ever said Saddam was behind 9/11. Can you show me where he did?

I think he did offer Osama safe harbor. I think Al Zarqawi was living in Baghdad. But surely there were no ties at all.

Never mind. Some things have been gone over a lot of times and it won't do anything to go over it again. Those who know me know where I stand, I know where they stand, and we aren't going to be changing each others minds.

PanTheMan · 10-09-2005, 06:16 PM

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 9/14/2003

Quote/Claim:
"It is not surprising that people make that connection [between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks]...we do know [there is a connection]. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"

PanTheMan · 10-09-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I think he did offer Osama safe harbor. I think Al Zarqawi was living in Baghdad. But surely there were no ties at all.

It is believed that Zarqari crossed first into Iran then into Iraq from Afghanistan after we invaded. As for Saddam and Osama being pals, NOTHING could be be further from the truth. Osama thought of Saddam as an infedel and and wanted him dead for his treatment of the Shiite people. Saddam wanted Osama Dead for stirring up theocratic Islamic revolutionary revolts.

This too was from our own CIA, Remember? George Tenant?...the guy who got a medal from Bush?

scaeagles · 10-09-2005, 06:27 PM

Well, it is a fact that Saddam offered him safe harbor. I didn't say they were pals, did I? But the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" most certainly applies.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-09-2005, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 9/14/2003

Quote/Claim:
"It is not surprising that people make that connection [between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks]...we do know [there is a connection]. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"

Umm, Pan...if I don't think a quote where the content has been changed is going to exactly cut it as proof. What's the unedited quote, and what's the context?

scaeagles · 10-09-2005, 06:28 PM

Oh - and regarding the connection - Iraqi intelligence agents did meet with Al Qaida operatives in Europe prior to 9/11.

PanTheMan · 10-09-2005, 06:37 PM

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 9/9/2004

Quote/Claim:
"[Saddam Hussein] provided safe harbor and sanctuary…for Al Qaeda. [Source: LA Times, 9/9/04]"

Fact:
"There is no evidence Iraq and al Qaeda ever developed a collaborative operational relationship. - 9/11 Commission Report"

-------------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Rice, Condoleezza - National Security Advisor

Date: 9/7/2003

Quote/Claim:
"And there was an Ansar al-Islam, which appears also to try to be operating in Iraq. So yes, the al Qaeda link was there. [Source: Fox News Sunday transcript]"

Fact:
"Ansar al-Islam was based in the Kurdish area of Iraq beyond Saddam Hussein's control. - Waxman Report"

Reference Reference

------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Rice, Condoleezza - National Security Advisor

Date: 9/28/2003

Quote/Claim:
"No one has said that there is evidence that Saddam Hussein directed or controlled 9/11, but let's be very clear, he had ties to al-Qaeda, he had al-Qaeda operatives who had operated out of Baghdad. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"

Fact:
"CIA interrogators have already elicited from the top Qaeda officials in custody that, before the American-led invasion, Osama bin Laden had rejected entreaties from some of his lieutenants to work jointly with Saddam. - NY Times, 1/15/04

The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.” - NY Times, 6/27/03"

------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 9/26/2002

Quote/Claim:
"You can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam.” [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"Three former Bush Administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues said the prewar evidence tying Al Qaeda was tenuous, exaggerated and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.” - National Journal, 8/9/03"

--------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 9/23/2003

Quote/Claim:
"The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction.” [Source: White House Web site -- Speech to UN]"

Fact:
"CIA interrogators have already elicited from the top Qaeda officials in custody that, before the American-led invasion, Osama bin Laden had rejected entreaties from some of his lieutenants to work jointly with Saddam. - NY Times, 1/15/04

Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam's links with al-Qaida, and several key parts of the administration's case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful. Senior U.S. officials now say there never was any evidence that Saddam's secular police state and Osama bin Laden's Islamic terrorism network were in league. - Knight-Ridder, 3/02/04"

-------------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 9/17/2003

Quote/Claim:
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties.” [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"Declassified documents undercut Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to al Qaeda.” - LA Times, 7/19/03"

-----------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Coulter, Ann - Political Pundit

Date: 9/17/2003

Quote/Claim:
"Saddam Hussein has harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda members. We know that.” [Source: Salon]"

Fact:
"Senior US officials confirm that they have found no provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda.” - Miami Herald 3/3/04

The bipartisan September 11th commission report undercuts Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda.” -LA Times, 7/19/03"

-------------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 9/14/2003

Quote/Claim:
"With respect to 9/11, of course, we've had the story that's been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohammed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack... [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"

Fact:
"This meeting likely never happened, and Cheney knew it. Czech intelligence officials were skeptical about the report and U.S. intelligence had contradictory evidence, such as records indicating Atta was in Virginia at the time of the meeting; and the C.I.A. and F.B.I. had concluded the meeting probably didn’t occur. - Waxman Report"

-----------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 9/14/2003

Quote/Claim:
"There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s.” [Meet the Press transcript]"

Fact:
"The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.” - NY Times, 6/27/03

U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. 'We have found no evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda,' said Europe's top investigator. 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.' - LA Times, 11/4/02"

-----------------------------------------

Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links

Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President

Date: 6/25/2004

Quote/Claim:
"[Saddam Hussein] had an established relationship with al Qaeda. [Source: Fox News transcript]"

Fact:
"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no 'collaborative relationship' between Iraq and al Qaeda. - Washington Post, 6/17/04"

10-09-2005, 03:20 PM	#2
PanTheMan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere between you, and just over there. Posts: 258	oh...and I titled this thread as such seeing Religious leaders think God is nailing the US, why not Osama too? __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? ....
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 03:27 PM	#3
Name Title Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: here Posts: 779	God only nailed one person as far as I know, and that was Mary..... __________________ Signature
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 05:33 PM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I don't think that Bush ever said Saddam was behind 9/11. Can you show me where he did? I think he did offer Osama safe harbor. I think Al Zarqawi was living in Baghdad. But surely there were no ties at all. Never mind. Some things have been gone over a lot of times and it won't do anything to go over it again. Those who know me know where I stand, I know where they stand, and we aren't going to be changing each others minds.
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 06:16 PM	#5
PanTheMan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere between you, and just over there. Posts: 258	Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President Date: 9/14/2003 Quote/Claim: "It is not surprising that people make that connection [between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks]...we do know [there is a connection]. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]" __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? ....
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 06:27 PM	#7
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Well, it is a fact that Saddam offered him safe harbor. I didn't say they were pals, did I? But the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" most certainly applies.
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 06:28 PM	#9
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Oh - and regarding the connection - Iraqi intelligence agents did meet with Al Qaida operatives in Europe prior to 9/11.
	Submit to Quotes

10-09-2005, 06:37 PM	#10
PanTheMan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere between you, and just over there. Posts: 258	Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President Date: 9/9/2004 Quote/Claim: "[Saddam Hussein] provided safe harbor and sanctuary…for Al Qaeda. [Source: LA Times, 9/9/04]" Fact: "There is no evidence Iraq and al Qaeda ever developed a collaborative operational relationship. - 9/11 Commission Report" ------------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Rice, Condoleezza - National Security Advisor Date: 9/7/2003 Quote/Claim: "And there was an Ansar al-Islam, which appears also to try to be operating in Iraq. So yes, the al Qaeda link was there. [Source: Fox News Sunday transcript]" Fact: "Ansar al-Islam was based in the Kurdish area of Iraq beyond Saddam Hussein's control. - Waxman Report" Reference Reference ------------------------------------ Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Rice, Condoleezza - National Security Advisor Date: 9/28/2003 Quote/Claim: "No one has said that there is evidence that Saddam Hussein directed or controlled 9/11, but let's be very clear, he had ties to al-Qaeda, he had al-Qaeda operatives who had operated out of Baghdad. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]" Fact: "CIA interrogators have already elicited from the top Qaeda officials in custody that, before the American-led invasion, Osama bin Laden had rejected entreaties from some of his lieutenants to work jointly with Saddam. - NY Times, 1/15/04 The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.” - NY Times, 6/27/03" ------------------------------ Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Bush, George - President Date: 9/26/2002 Quote/Claim: "You can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam.” [Source: White House Web site]" Fact: "Three former Bush Administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues said the prewar evidence tying Al Qaeda was tenuous, exaggerated and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.” - National Journal, 8/9/03" -------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Bush, George - President Date: 9/23/2003 Quote/Claim: "The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction.” [Source: White House Web site -- Speech to UN]" Fact: "CIA interrogators have already elicited from the top Qaeda officials in custody that, before the American-led invasion, Osama bin Laden had rejected entreaties from some of his lieutenants to work jointly with Saddam. - NY Times, 1/15/04 Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam's links with al-Qaida, and several key parts of the administration's case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful. Senior U.S. officials now say there never was any evidence that Saddam's secular police state and Osama bin Laden's Islamic terrorism network were in league. - Knight-Ridder, 3/02/04" ------------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Bush, George - President Date: 9/17/2003 Quote/Claim: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties.” [Source: White House Web site]" Fact: "Declassified documents undercut Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to al Qaeda.” - LA Times, 7/19/03" ----------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Coulter, Ann - Political Pundit Date: 9/17/2003 Quote/Claim: "Saddam Hussein has harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda members. We know that.” [Source: Salon]" Fact: "Senior US officials confirm that they have found no provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda.” - Miami Herald 3/3/04 The bipartisan September 11th commission report undercuts Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda.” -LA Times, 7/19/03" ------------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President Date: 9/14/2003 Quote/Claim: "With respect to 9/11, of course, we've had the story that's been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohammed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack... [Source: Meet the Press transcript]" Fact: "This meeting likely never happened, and Cheney knew it. Czech intelligence officials were skeptical about the report and U.S. intelligence had contradictory evidence, such as records indicating Atta was in Virginia at the time of the meeting; and the C.I.A. and F.B.I. had concluded the meeting probably didn’t occur. - Waxman Report" ----------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President Date: 9/14/2003 Quote/Claim: "There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s.” [Meet the Press transcript]" Fact: "The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.” - NY Times, 6/27/03 U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. 'We have found no evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda,' said Europe's top investigator. 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.' - LA Times, 11/4/02" ----------------------------------------- Topic: Iraq - Al Qaeda Links Speaker: Cheney, Dick - Vice President Date: 6/25/2004 Quote/Claim: "[Saddam Hussein] had an established relationship with al Qaeda. [Source: Fox News transcript]" Fact: "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no 'collaborative relationship' between Iraq and al Qaeda. - Washington Post, 6/17/04" __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? ....
	Submit to Quotes