Moussaoui Gets Life

BarTopDancer · 05-03-2006, 01:46 PM

scaeagles · 05-03-2006, 01:48 PM

Interesting. I was fine either way. Would have preferred the death penalty, but knowing he would have considered himself an Islamic martyr, I'm fine with him living it out in prison.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-03-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Interesting. I was fine either way. Would have preferred the death penalty, but knowing he would have considered himself an Islamic martyr, I'm fine with him living it out in prison.

Death penalty for what exactly? Lying about something he had no real knowledge of in the first place? Adding a tiny shred of of information to the rather large pile of information the FBI already had and failed to do anything with?

Moussaoui was, and is, an outsider in the world of Islamic terrorism. He's a poser, a hanger on who desperately wishes he mattered more than he does. I wanted him to get life in prison not just because of the "he'd be come a martyr" thing, but because I truly believe he didn't do anything worthy of the death penalty (even if I were to theoretically support the death penalty at all, which I don't).

scaeagles · 05-03-2006, 02:14 PM

Surely this was precedent setting in terms of law in that he wasn't found guilty of having a direct role in 9/11. Under federal law related to terrorism, I think, all that was required was that the jury found the he was responsible for at least one death in the Sept 11 attacks, and they found that he was responsible due to his participation in the conspiracy and lying to federal investigators a few weeks before the attacks.

So....under the law, obviously, the death penalty was on the table. I'm not sure how you can say he had "no knowledge" of it.....I can't say he did. I wasn't on the jury, I didn't hear the case. However, since he was found guilty and found to be eligible for the death penalty by a jury, I'd have been fine either way.

innerSpaceman · 05-03-2006, 07:39 PM

Um, I believe the jury found him not to be responsible for a single death, hence the penalty not being death.

Frankly, I'm glad to see him fail at his desperate and obvious attempts at suicide-by-rogue-judicial-system.

scaeagles · 05-03-2006, 09:40 PM

I thought in order to be eligible for the federal death penalty he had to have been found to have responsibility. Otherwise it couldn't have been an option.

Alex · 05-03-2006, 11:46 PM

Even if he did exactly what he was accused of I don't agree with the theory that makes it eligible for the death penalty. I can't align the idea that inaction would ever be grounds for execution. And as you may remember, I've not a problem with capital punishment in theory.

Since I doubt he was involved to the extend he and the government claim I really don't think death would have been appropriate but would have met the twin needs of Mousaoui to feel important in ways he wasn't and the government to punish somebody for 9/11.

scaeagles · 05-04-2006, 07:06 AM

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Since I doubt he was involved to the extend he and the government claim I really don't think death would have been appropriate but would have met the twin needs of Mousaoui to feel important in ways he wasn't and the government to punish somebody for 9/11.

It's tough for me to have a feel for how deeply he was involved. Doubting it is reasonable, but when both he and the government are saying basically the same things...

However, I can certainly agree that this is largely about wanting to feel as if some form of justice....perhaps retribution is a better word here....is coming about to someone (anyone) for 9/11.

Gemini Cricket · 05-04-2006, 07:28 AM

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Once in prison, Moussaoui will be in lockdown for 23 hours of every day, with one hour of recreation daily. He'll spend that one hour alone, also.

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scaeagles · 05-04-2006, 07:30 AM

I suppose that's for his protection.

On a side note, I was half expecting him to insert himself in the Oklahoma City bombing....wow, that's over 10 years ago now, isn't it? Anyway, I remember one of the stories being that there was a never identified Arab looking man with McVey when he parked that truck in front of the federal building, and I wouldn't have been a bit surprised if he had claimed to be that guy.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Surely this was precedent setting in terms of law in that he wasn't found guilty of having a direct role in 9/11. Under federal law related to terrorism, I think, all that was required was that the jury found the he was responsible for at least one death in the Sept 11 attacks, and they found that he was responsible due to his participation in the conspiracy and lying to federal investigators a few weeks before the attacks. So....under the law, obviously, the death penalty was on the table. I'm not sure how you can say he had "no knowledge" of it.....I can't say he did. I wasn't on the jury, I didn't hear the case. However, since he was found guilty and found to be eligible for the death penalty by a jury, I'd have been fine either way.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Um, I believe the jury found him not to be responsible for a single death, hence the penalty not being death. Frankly, I'm glad to see him fail at his desperate and obvious attempts at suicide-by-rogue-judicial-system.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I thought in order to be eligible for the federal death penalty he had to have been found to have responsibility. Otherwise it couldn't have been an option.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Even if he did exactly what he was accused of I don't agree with the theory that makes it eligible for the death penalty. I can't align the idea that inaction would ever be grounds for execution. And as you may remember, I've not a problem with capital punishment in theory. Since I doubt he was involved to the extend he and the government claim I really don't think death would have been appropriate but would have met the twin needs of Mousaoui to feel important in ways he wasn't and the government to punish somebody for 9/11.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I suppose that's for his protection. On a side note, I was half expecting him to insert himself in the Oklahoma City bombing....wow, that's over 10 years ago now, isn't it? Anyway, I remember one of the stories being that there was a never identified Arab looking man with McVey when he parked that truck in front of the federal building, and I wouldn't have been a bit surprised if he had claimed to be that guy.
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