I'm no Madonna fan, but I wonder....

scaeagles · 10-24-2006, 05:37 AM

I haven't the time to follow news stories that I'm interested in, much less ones about celebs, but what is going on with the Madonna adoption thing?

So she goes to Malawi and adopts a kid. Some are saying she's doing it because it's fashionable, some say it is againt Malawi law for foreigners to adopt a Malawi child, the dad says he didn't know, she did a lineup of kids and selected one out of the line....perhaps she didn't go about it in the best way, but isn't she taking a kid out of poverty and providing a home and education?

Like I said, I'm no Madonna fan, but I don't see what the big deal is. Again, I haven't followed the details of the story at all, just wondering.

wendybeth · 10-24-2006, 05:58 AM

I think the dad senses the opportunity here to make a buck, or whatever their currency is. All involved, excepting him, state that he was made very aware of what she was doing with regards to adoption. He either caught a lot of crap for it from his family and neighbors, or he's trying to get something more out of it.

lashbear · 10-24-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

....perhaps she didn't go about it in the best way, but isn't she taking a kid out of poverty and providing a home and education? .

From what I read, most of the objections are that the money shw will spend on adoption, education etc for the one child, could have raised, educated and benefitted a lot more children in the village if it had been given as a donation, and let the children stay where they are.

Of course, then she wouldn't have had a child to have and hold, so I can see why she did it this way instead.

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Moonliner · 10-24-2006, 07:30 AM

I agree on the "no fan" part, well at least her recent stuff.

So far I'd say that Madonna is the only one acting in the best interest of the child.

The dad first said he was happy for the boy, now it feels to me like he's looking for a big slice-o-pie.

The Malawi human rights group are using the case to bring attention to their cause. Yeah, the adoption was probably fast tracked due to "star power" but they don't seem to have a case for stating that the adoption was illegal.
The Malawi would bring the kid back just to make a point.

So assuming that the child really was up for adoption, which seems to be the case, I don't see the issue here. The kid gets a mom who cares (flakey as all hell, but still cares) and a chance at a better future. I thought that's what the adoption process is for.

Jughead P. Jones · 10-24-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I agree on the "no fan" part, well at least her recent stuff.

So far I'd say that Madonna is the only one acting in the best interest of the child.

The dad first said he was happy for the boy, now it feels to me like he's looking for a big slice-o-pie.

The Malawi human rights group are using the case to bring attention to their cause. Yeah, the adoption was probably fast tracked due to "star power" but they don't seem to have a case for stating that the adoption was illegal.
The Malawi would bring the kid back just to make a point.

So assuming that the child really was up for adoption, which seems to be the case, I don't see the issue here. The kid gets a mom who cares (flakey as all hell, but still cares) and a chance at a better future. I thought that's what the adoption process is for.

I think you said basically what I've been thinking about this situation in this whole post. I agree 100% with this.

Especially about Madonna's career..."Ray of Light" was probably her last album that I liked.

innerSpaceman · 10-24-2006, 08:31 AM

paging Mr. zapppop, paging Mr. zapppop.

Stan4dSteph · 10-24-2006, 08:55 AM

I'm a bit confused about the situation with the father. The baby was in an orphanage, so clearly the father was not acting as a caregiver. Then he found out that Madonna was adopting his son and he seemed fine with it, but now the father decides that he wants the baby? Either the father wasn't informed of what was happening or he's trying to take advantage of the media coverage.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-24-2006, 09:00 AM

There are only two real issues I would have, if actually gave a crap. One is the inconsistent story from the father, as others have pointed out. The other is the fast-track that celebrities seem to have to adopt, while many many other fine parents have to wait for literally years. But I suppose that has to do with it being far easier to assess the stability of someone worth several million dollars. At least, I hope that's why and that it's not simply preferential treatment due to their wealth and status.

Stan4dSteph · 10-24-2006, 09:04 AM

I think that people with more wealth are able to pursue avenues that others find too expensive given the uncertainty in the process. I don't think this is necessarily any more unfair than any other part of a capitalistic economy.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-24-2006, 09:08 AM

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I think that people with more wealth are able to pursue avenues that others find too expensive given the uncertainty in the process. I don't think this is necessarily any more unfair than any other part of a capitalistic economy.

No, simply paying for better service I don't have an issue with. Completely circumventing certain processes/being offered avenues that aren't even offered to non-celebreties (at any cost) would be...questionable.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm no Madonna fan, but I wonder.... I haven't the time to follow news stories that I'm interested in, much less ones about celebs, but what is going on with the Madonna adoption thing? So she goes to Malawi and adopts a kid. Some are saying she's doing it because it's fashionable, some say it is againt Malawi law for foreigners to adopt a Malawi child, the dad says he didn't know, she did a lineup of kids and selected one out of the line....perhaps she didn't go about it in the best way, but isn't she taking a kid out of poverty and providing a home and education? Like I said, I'm no Madonna fan, but I don't see what the big deal is. Again, I haven't followed the details of the story at all, just wondering.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I think the dad senses the opportunity here to make a buck, or whatever their currency is. All involved, excepting him, state that he was made very aware of what she was doing with regards to adoption. He either caught a lot of crap for it from his family and neighbors, or he's trying to get something more out of it. __________________
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Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	I agree on the "no fan" part, well at least her recent stuff. So far I'd say that Madonna is the only one acting in the best interest of the child. The dad first said he was happy for the boy, now it feels to me like he's looking for a big slice-o-pie. The Malawi human rights group are using the case to bring attention to their cause. Yeah, the adoption was probably fast tracked due to "star power" but they don't seem to have a case for stating that the adoption was illegal. The Malawi would bring the kid back just to make a point. So assuming that the child really was up for adoption, which seems to be the case, I don't see the issue here. The kid gets a mom who cares (flakey as all hell, but still cares) and a chance at a better future. I thought that's what the adoption process is for. __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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Stan4dSteph Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,156	I'm a bit confused about the situation with the father. The baby was in an orphanage, so clearly the father was not acting as a caregiver. Then he found out that Madonna was adopting his son and he seemed fine with it, but now the father decides that he wants the baby? Either the father wasn't informed of what was happening or he's trying to take advantage of the media coverage.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	There are only two real issues I would have, if actually gave a crap. One is the inconsistent story from the father, as others have pointed out. The other is the fast-track that celebrities seem to have to adopt, while many many other fine parents have to wait for literally years. But I suppose that has to do with it being far easier to assess the stability of someone worth several million dollars. At least, I hope that's why and that it's not simply preferential treatment due to their wealth and status. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Stan4dSteph Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,156	I think that people with more wealth are able to pursue avenues that others find too expensive given the uncertainty in the process. I don't think this is necessarily any more unfair than any other part of a capitalistic economy.
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