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Old 03-21-2006, 04:11 PM   #1
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I pledge an affinity to the ideals
of the United States of America
And to the freedoms for which they stand:
One humanity, indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.
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Old 03-21-2006, 04:25 PM   #2
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Old 03-21-2006, 04:44 PM   #3
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Ooh, you've done it now. God's gonna be maaaad.
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Old 03-21-2006, 05:43 PM   #4
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Ooh, you've done it now. God's gonna be maaaad.
MBC might have to buy me a new monitor. Lol!!!
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Old 03-21-2006, 06:12 PM   #5
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MBC might have to buy me a new monitor. Lol!!!
You might have to wait a little while for that. I'm saving up for an espresso maching for scaeagles once he has at least some limited control of his sphincter again.
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Old 03-21-2006, 04:55 PM   #6
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The under God thing aside, I never much liked pledging allegiance to a flag. The whole flag culture thing always seemed to border on idolitry.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:17 PM   #7
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The under God thing aside, I never much liked pledging allegiance to a flag. The whole flag culture thing always seemed to border on idolitry.
Yes! I had the devil's own time getting permission to not salute the flag every morning in high school. (even though I believe it's illegal to require students to do so.) The argument is that the flag represents the ideals, but I disagree. The flag represents a political entity, and while the ideals may be implicit, they're also not stated outright and therefore can be conceptually separated. I'd much rather explicitly pledge to the ideals.
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I never had any problem for teachers for not saying it. They were more caught up on how it was possible that I wouldn't want anything done for my birthday than me not pledging allegiance or putting my hand over my heart during the national anthem.

The "one humanity, indivisible" is where I get caught up since humanity is almost infinitely dvisible and people like it that way.
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The "one humanity, indivisible" is where I get caught up since humanity is almost infinitely dvisible and people like it that way.
I meant it in the sense that I believe that the base freedoms, if not the exact practice, at the heart of the ideals of the founding of this country should be applied to all people, not just those that happen to be citizens here.
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Oh no. Do we have to define what these ideals are? That sounds like a fun conversation!
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