Sharp Pencils Only, please

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 05-10-2010, 07:15 PM

Sounds like fun!

May 20: "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day!"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/ma...ammad-day.html

Morrigoon · 05-10-2010, 07:30 PM

Love it. LOVE. IT.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-10-2010, 09:49 PM

This is really interesting.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 05-10-2010, 09:58 PM

Yeah, very. Wonder what kind of threats the cartoonist got.

innerSpaceman · 05-10-2010, 10:05 PM

Well, the brilliance behind the idea is ... what, are the Islamofacists going to kill everbody???

oh.

wait.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 05-10-2010, 10:14 PM

http://reason.com/blog/2010/04/23/fi...rybody-draw-mo

Wow, here's some reading....

€uroMeinke · 05-10-2010, 10:14 PM

I kind of have mixed feelings about this one, I'm definitely a free speech advocate but wonder if this is really about free speech, or an opportunity to insult Muslims. I would put it in the same category as "Burn an American Flag Day" or "Deny the Holocaust Day." Sure it's expressions of free speech, but that seems potentially a cover for something more sinister.

Alex · 05-11-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I kind of have mixed feelings about this one, I'm definitely a free speech advocate but wonder if this is really about free speech, or an opportunity to insult Muslims. I would put it in the same category as "Burn an American Flag Day" or "Deny the Holocaust Day." Sure it's expressions of free speech, but that seems potentially a cover for something more sinister.

But is it an insult to Muslims or just certain ones who are kind of asking for it? This taking images of Mohammed as fatal insult is a relatively recent invention and has somehow morphed from drawing a figure without a face being enough to avoid insult to it being possible to offend by simply taking any image and saying it's Mohammed.

I have no desire to burn the flag but whenever there's a big push to prohibit burning the flag I want to do it to just make the point.

I have no particular desire to insult Islam, but if there are groups out there claiming that Islam has special protection against such insult afforded no other and are willing to enforce that through violence and intimidation then similarly I am strongly inclined to do so just show they don't have the power they claim.

So I see two factors of failure:

1. No group really has a right against being insulted. So they certainly don't get to kill people who insult them.
2. While you can't stop somebody from feeling insulted by whatever they find insulting, when whatever that is, is beyond reasonable accommodation the claim need not be respected any more than anybody would respect a claim that women wearing denim is a grave insult.

BarTopDancer · 05-10-2010, 10:25 PM

I wonder what would happen if some toast with the likeness of Muhammad ended up on eBay.

I won't participate in this 'day'. As idiotic as I think the threats (and pulling of content) are, as insane as I think the extremists are there is no need to insult an entire religion and all we're doing is perpetrating stereotypes.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 05-10-2010, 10:28 PM

I think pretty much every subject has that pro/con line and I think there is indeed a sinister side, just look at the 2nd link.

That aside, I'd support it mearly because its thumbing nose at a smaller group of another group that is bullying our freedoms and in one instance murdering someone for expressing it.

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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	Sharp Pencils Only, please Sounds like fun! May 20: "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day!" http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/ma...ammad-day.html
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Love it. LOVE. IT. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	Yeah, very. Wonder what kind of threats the cartoonist got.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I kind of have mixed feelings about this one, I'm definitely a free speech advocate but wonder if this is really about free speech, or an opportunity to insult Muslims. I would put it in the same category as "Burn an American Flag Day" or "Deny the Holocaust Day." Sure it's expressions of free speech, but that seems potentially a cover for something more sinister. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	I think pretty much every subject has that pro/con line and I think there is indeed a sinister side, just look at the 2nd link. That aside, I'd support it mearly because its thumbing nose at a smaller group of another group that is bullying our freedoms and in one instance murdering someone for expressing it.
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