The Official Harry Potter thread (SPOILERS - NO tags)

wendybeth · 07-24-2005, 12:09 AM

Okay, the new book is out and if anyone hasn't finished it, too bad. Here is where we discuss book number six and it's predecessors, and where we post our own theories.

I'll go first, with a caveat. I am too tired right now to defend it, but will do so- vigorously- tomorrow, after a decent nights sleep.

Dumbledore is not dead, and the thing with Snape was a set-up, a ruse, to throw off the Death Eaters and pave the way for Harry's final battle with Voldie. This is probably obvious to a lot of people, but as I said, I will defend it if necessary once I've had my beauty sleeps.

BarTopDancer · 07-24-2005, 12:18 AM

I would agree with you WB except...

Spoiler:

That said I think:

Spoiler:

Oops! Stupid submit button.

Uber major theory ahead re: red herrings:

Spoiler:

Thank you and goodnight!

wendybeth · 07-24-2005, 12:44 AM

I think this should be a no-spoiler thread. Like I said, if you haven't read it yet, then avert your eyes.

JK, bless her, is just a bit disingenuous. She has also said that she hasn't finished the LOTR, but come on- does anyone believe that? Her books, while wonderfully imaginitive and engrossing, owe a hell of a lot to Tolkein's. ANd while we're on the subject- Peter Pettigrew as Gollum.....any ideas? I've a few, but I need to check a few things before presenting them.

There are many reasons that I think Dumbledore is not dead, and I will post them tomorrow, as I really am wiped out tonight. (I worked all day, then came home, cooked dinner then painted the foyer and hallway, which have vaulted ceilings). I will say that this is not wishful thinking, as initiallly I saw the logic in his death and knew from his statement about Nicholas Flamel that he did not fear it. Remember, Dumbledore has, so far, not been wrong- especially in his estimation of others. Also, he has (repeatedly) told Harry of the redemptive (and superior) power of love, which Voldie could never understand. It applies to more than just Harry........

sleepyjeff · 08-08-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

JK, bless her, is just a bit disingenuous. She has also said that she hasn't finished the LOTR, but come on- does anyone believe that? Her books, while wonderfully imaginitive and engrossing, owe a hell of a lot to Tolkein's. ...

....and Dickens(especially David Copperfield).

wendybeth · 08-08-2005, 10:16 PM

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....and Dickens(especially David Copperfield).

Definitely. Good point, Jeff. I love Dickens, particularily David Copperfield, but I really hadn't made the connection before.

(Lol! Good one, Mousey Girl!)

sleepyjeff · 08-08-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Definitely. Good point, Jeff. I love Dickens, particularily David Copperfield, but I really hadn't made the connection before.

Some of the many similarities include Loss of Parents early on; Living with cruel and uncaring guardians; going away to a school; The uncanny similarities between Filch and Creakle though are what really makes me think she must have read and re-read DC over and over again.........

Then there is this......

Before Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings were made into films....there was this.

Keelboat Captain · 07-24-2005, 01:38 AM

Wow! This is great and what a start. I was just heading to bed when I thought to take a peek back in and found my favorite subject on. However I think I will just make a few blanket statement tonight then off to bed.
First: I thing Dumbledore is dead and will not be coming back as anything more than a painting.
Second: I was a little disappointed Harry did not learn more magic from Dumbledore like maybe how magic feels when they were in the cave.
Third: R.A.B. is Regulus ???? Black just a guess.
My question to you are:
What is going to pull Harry back to school. I think something must, could he teach DADA. I think if Hermione becomes Head Girl and Harry needs to find something in the castle he might come back.
Was Dumbledore's brother at the funeral?
Do you think one of the Horcrux's (a Cup maybe) could be in the orphanage? Although Dumbledore would have checked there closely I suppose. Ok more than I meant to start with, until tomorrow good night.

Not Afraid · 07-24-2005, 03:09 AM

I changed the thread title to warn that there be spoilers ahead and no tags used. Then I scrolled REALLY FAST down here to post this.

Betty · 07-24-2005, 06:06 AM

Discussion has already been going on here: http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=1620

wendybeth · 07-24-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Betty

Discussion has already been going on here: http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=1620

Doh! Well, one can never have too many HP threads going...I posted this thread for Keelboat Captain, and I'd forgotten about the release day one. I think the scar as a horcrux is a great theory, too.

Now I have to go and catch up on the other thread to see what other theories have been presented. I certainly wouldn't want to be redundant.

07-24-2005, 12:09 AM	#1
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	The Official Harry Potter thread (SPOILERS - NO tags) Okay, the new book is out and if anyone hasn't finished it, too bad. Here is where we discuss book number six and it's predecessors, and where we post our own theories. I'll go first, with a caveat. I am too tired right now to defend it, but will do so- vigorously- tomorrow, after a decent nights sleep. Dumbledore is not dead, and the thing with Snape was a set-up, a ruse, to throw off the Death Eaters and pave the way for Harry's final battle with Voldie. This is probably obvious to a lot of people, but as I said, I will defend it if necessary once I've had my beauty sleeps. __________________
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07-24-2005, 12:18 AM	#2
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	I would agree with you WB except... Spoiler: JKR has said in interviews that death is permanent and forever. She doesn't want to confuse the kiddos that their loved ones may come back. That said I think: Spoiler: He is dead but will come back in some form to help Harry. I also think that he and Snape were in on it together, that Snape really is a double agent, on the side of Dumbledore to help Harry. I think when Dumbledore was begging he wasn't begging for his life, but for Snape to kill him for the greater good. Oops! Stupid submit button. Uber major theory ahead re: red herrings: Spoiler: JRK is the Queen of red herrings. Does anyone else think that Harry is the ultimate red herring? Or is that just sleep deprivation talking. Thank you and goodnight! __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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07-24-2005, 12:44 AM	#3
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I think this should be a no-spoiler thread. Like I said, if you haven't read it yet, then avert your eyes. JK, bless her, is just a bit disingenuous. She has also said that she hasn't finished the LOTR, but come on- does anyone believe that? Her books, while wonderfully imaginitive and engrossing, owe a hell of a lot to Tolkein's. ANd while we're on the subject- Peter Pettigrew as Gollum.....any ideas? I've a few, but I need to check a few things before presenting them. There are many reasons that I think Dumbledore is not dead, and I will post them tomorrow, as I really am wiped out tonight. (I worked all day, then came home, cooked dinner then painted the foyer and hallway, which have vaulted ceilings). I will say that this is not wishful thinking, as initiallly I saw the logic in his death and knew from his statement about Nicholas Flamel that he did not fear it. Remember, Dumbledore has, so far, not been wrong- especially in his estimation of others. Also, he has (repeatedly) told Harry of the redemptive (and superior) power of love, which Voldie could never understand. It applies to more than just Harry........ __________________
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07-24-2005, 01:38 AM	#7
Keelboat Captain I Hate Mornings! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Highland, CA Posts: 13	Wow! This is great and what a start. I was just heading to bed when I thought to take a peek back in and found my favorite subject on. However I think I will just make a few blanket statement tonight then off to bed. First: I thing Dumbledore is dead and will not be coming back as anything more than a painting. Second: I was a little disappointed Harry did not learn more magic from Dumbledore like maybe how magic feels when they were in the cave. Third: R.A.B. is Regulus ???? Black just a guess. My question to you are: What is going to pull Harry back to school. I think something must, could he teach DADA. I think if Hermione becomes Head Girl and Harry needs to find something in the castle he might come back. Was Dumbledore's brother at the funeral? Do you think one of the Horcrux's (a Cup maybe) could be in the orphanage? Although Dumbledore would have checked there closely I suppose. Ok more than I meant to start with, until tomorrow good night.
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07-24-2005, 03:09 AM	#8
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I changed the thread title to warn that there be spoilers ahead and no tags used. Then I scrolled REALLY FAST down here to post this.
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07-24-2005, 06:06 AM	#9
Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	Discussion has already been going on here: http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=1620
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