Dole Whips - Not so Non-Dairy as we think !

lashbear · 02-09-2006, 07:16 AM

Bugger !

In researching Dole whips for a thread on Micechat, I found out the following information:

Ingredients are:

Dole Pineapple Soft Serve Frozen Dessert
INGREDIENTS: Sugar, Dextrose, Pineapple Crystals, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Stabilizers (Cellulose, Locust Bean, Guar, Xanthan, Karaya Gum, Pectin), Sodium Silico Aluminate, Vegetable Fiber, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative), Mono & Diglycerides, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Dipotassium Phosphate, Articial Color Including F.D. & C. Yellow #6.

(From http://www.precisionfoods.com/branded/doleindex.asp# )

Just a note on that Sodium Caseinate:

Savvy consumers reading the label on this product would quickly realize that many non-dairy creamers (and dole whips - Rob) are not non-dairy because the labels clearly indicate the product contains sodium caseinate (a milk derivative).

Dairy scientists and the Food and Drug Administration agree that these are non-dairy creamers because the caseinate has been so altered it can no longer be considered dairy. According to the information on the Coffee-mate website,

"When sodium caseinate is processed, it is so materially altered that both dairy scientists and government regulators no longer regard it as a true dairy substance. This is why sodium caseinate can be an ingredient in non-dairy products according to FDA's regulation 21 CFR101.4 (d). Sodium caseinate also is not a source of lactose."

Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations Part 101 deals with food labeling. Section 101.4 presents the rules for designation of ingredients in foods. Section 101.4 (d) reads as follows: When foods characterized on the label as "nondairy" contain a caseinate ingredient, the caseinate ingredient shall be followed by a parenthetical statement identifying its source. For example, if the manufacturer uses the term "nondairy" on a creamer that contains sodium caseinate, it shall include a parenthetical term such as "a milk derivative" after the listing of sodium caseinate in the ingredient list.

Full page can be read here

I just checked, and the creamer I use also has this in it !!

and the WORST thing for me is this news:

The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar.

Well, I'm still going to have one (or three) cos I don't get to eat them all that often, but I'm looking out for those true non-dairy creamers mentioned in the article all the same.

Cheers,
Rob.

Alex · 02-09-2006, 10:30 AM

I never thought Dole Whip was non-dairy (actually, I just never thought about it).

I just assumed vegans didn't eat at Disneyland.

innerSpaceman · 02-09-2006, 11:11 AM

What's Locust Bean anyway? Does it contain insect meat?

tracilicious · 02-09-2006, 11:18 AM

Many people are allergic to cassein and just don't know it. (How one could prove that, I don't know.) It is so prevalent in nearly all processed foods that it is hard not to develop an allergy to it.

I always knew dole whips were full of crap. Delicious, delicious, crap.

Cadaverous Pallor · 02-09-2006, 11:25 AM

I'm with Traci - it tastes good because it's loaded with crap.

I never expect anything that good to be good for me.

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Originally Posted by lashbear

The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar.

Now I'm wondering what Lash thought it was made of.

I admit that I know a bit too much about dairy vs non-dairy because of my past involving kosher dietary rules, but still, what would you think is in there?

DisneyDaniel · 02-09-2006, 11:42 AM

Thanks for pointing this out, lashbear. Since sodium caseinate (a milk derivative) is listed three-quarters into the list of ingredients, can one assume there is only a small amount used?

Like others have said, as long as Dole Whips taste like one of the wonder foods of the world, I shall continue to consume them.

Not Afraid · 02-09-2006, 11:36 AM

I always thought Dole Whips were completely non-dairy. As a matter of fact, I was assured they were by a CM. I have paid attention to my diary intake in the past since I have had an allergy to all dairy - which I have since grown out of a replaced with a yet-to-be-identified allergy.

Cadaverous Pallor · 02-09-2006, 12:11 PM

I learned in a nutrition class that chemical derivatives are very, very far removed from their original state. The only difference betwen what's called "natural flavors" and "artificial flavors" is where they came from. These "flavors" are broken down to molecules and can be identical to each other in structure. Yet since one comes from a plant and the other comes from a man-made substance, they are labeled "natural" and "artificial", respectively. Both are derived in labratory environments.

I'm sure the same is true for Sodium Casseinate. The FDA says it's so far removed that it is no longer dairy, and that makes sense.

Quote:

Sodium caseinate also is not a source of lactose."

So from a "I'm avoiding dairy because my body hates dairy" standpoint, this chemical (it's nothing but a chemical at this point) isn't a problem.

But from a "I avoid dairy because I'm against the enslavement of cows" standpoint, it's still on your no-no list.

I'd be interested what the Rabbinical point of view would be. We were not cautioned against certain chemicals.

Alex · 02-09-2006, 01:03 PM

I would think the Rabbinicalistic (to potentially create a word) view would be anti on the grounds that it had been in contact with prohibited foods.

When I worked in a salmon/crab cannery, the kosher inspection sucked. But it seems to me that we had to not only prove that crab couldn't end up in the cans of salmon but also that the salmon and crabs were never in contact prior to being canned (I assume it is ok for the salmon and crab to be all cuddly while still in the ocean).

cstephens · 02-09-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

(I assume it is ok for the salmon and crab to be all cuddly while still in the ocean).

I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this discussion, but I just thought this was funny, and a good mental image too!

02-09-2006, 07:16 AM	#1
lashbear SwishBuckling Bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In Isolation :) Posts: 6,597	Dole Whips - Not so Non-Dairy as we think ! Bugger ! In researching Dole whips for a thread on Micechat, I found out the following information: Ingredients are: Dole Pineapple Soft Serve Frozen Dessert INGREDIENTS: Sugar, Dextrose, Pineapple Crystals, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Stabilizers (Cellulose, Locust Bean, Guar, Xanthan, Karaya Gum, Pectin), Sodium Silico Aluminate, Vegetable Fiber, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative), Mono & Diglycerides, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Dipotassium Phosphate, Articial Color Including F.D. & C. Yellow #6. (From http://www.precisionfoods.com/branded/doleindex.asp# ) Just a note on that Sodium Caseinate: Savvy consumers reading the label on this product would quickly realize that many non-dairy creamers (and dole whips - Rob) are not non-dairy because the labels clearly indicate the product contains sodium caseinate (a milk derivative). Dairy scientists and the Food and Drug Administration agree that these are non-dairy creamers because the caseinate has been so altered it can no longer be considered dairy. According to the information on the Coffee-mate website, "When sodium caseinate is processed, it is so materially altered that both dairy scientists and government regulators no longer regard it as a true dairy substance. This is why sodium caseinate can be an ingredient in non-dairy products according to FDA's regulation 21 CFR101.4 (d). Sodium caseinate also is not a source of lactose." Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations Part 101 deals with food labeling. Section 101.4 presents the rules for designation of ingredients in foods. Section 101.4 (d) reads as follows: When foods characterized on the label as "nondairy" contain a caseinate ingredient, the caseinate ingredient shall be followed by a parenthetical statement identifying its source. For example, if the manufacturer uses the term "nondairy" on a creamer that contains sodium caseinate, it shall include a parenthetical term such as "a milk derivative" after the listing of sodium caseinate in the ingredient list. Full page can be read here I just checked, and the creamer I use also has this in it !! and the WORST thing for me is this news: The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar. Well, I'm still going to have one (or three) cos I don't get to eat them all that often, but I'm looking out for those true non-dairy creamers mentioned in the article all the same. Cheers, Rob. __________________ *I Heart* my Husband - I can't think of anyone I'd rather be in isolation with.**
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02-09-2006, 10:30 AM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I never thought Dole Whip was non-dairy (actually, I just never thought about it). I just assumed vegans didn't eat at Disneyland.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	What's Locust Bean anyway? Does it contain insect meat?
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tracilicious avatar transition Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in-between Posts: 2,487	Many people are allergic to cassein and just don't know it. (How one could prove that, I don't know.) It is so prevalent in nearly all processed foods that it is hard not to develop an allergy to it. I always knew dole whips were full of crap. Delicious, delicious, crap. __________________ And now Harry, let us step into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure! - Albus Dumbledore
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02-09-2006, 11:42 AM	#6
DisneyDaniel California Adventurer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 537	Thanks for pointing this out, lashbear. Since sodium caseinate (a milk derivative) is listed three-quarters into the list of ingredients, can one assume there is only a small amount used? Like others have said, as long as Dole Whips taste like one of the wonder foods of the world, I shall continue to consume them. __________________ Yes, I do LOVE Disney California Adventure. Disneyland is not so bad either ;-)
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02-09-2006, 11:36 AM	#7
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I always thought Dole Whips were completely non-dairy. As a matter of fact, I was assured they were by a CM. I have paid attention to my diary intake in the past since I have had an allergy to all dairy - which I have since grown out of a replaced with a yet-to-be-identified allergy.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I would think the Rabbinicalistic (to potentially create a word) view would be anti on the grounds that it had been in contact with prohibited foods. When I worked in a salmon/crab cannery, the kosher inspection sucked. But it seems to me that we had to not only prove that crab couldn't end up in the cans of salmon but also that the salmon and crabs were never in contact prior to being canned (I assume it is ok for the salmon and crab to be all cuddly while still in the ocean).
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