Man kills 3-year-old boy for being a "sissy"!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I think I may have posted the initial news report on this a while back, but I couldn't find it on a search. It may have been on another board.

Since the report is pretty disturbing (though I would describe it as work safe), I'm going to spoiler it. Proceed with caution.

Spoiler:

Originally posted by The Press Enterprise

Son's death brings 6-year term

STATE PRISON: A judge sentences the mother to the maximum term for child endangerment.

3:40 PM PDT on Tuesday, August 15, 2006

By SANDRA STOKLEY
The Press-Enterprise

RIVERSIDE - Two days after what would have been Michael "Mikey" Vallejo-Seiber's fourth birthday, his mother learned she will spend six years in prison for failing to protect her son from the men who now stand accused of torturing and beating the boy to death.

Despite Pamela Seiber's tearful pleas for leniency, Riverside Superior Court Judge Janice McIntyre sentenced the young woman to the maximum sentence for child endangerment. Her name is spelled Sieber in court documents.

"If I could change anything in my life, I would change when I met Alex," Seiber, 23, sobbed. "My son was my best friend."

Alex Mendoza is her former boyfriend, a 27-year-old Inland rapper charged in Mikey's death. Also charged in the boy's death is Richard Daniel Cox, 20.

Seiber and Mendoza brought the boy, who was not breathing, to Riverside Community Hospital on Aug. 28.

After he was resuscitated, Mikey was transferred to Loma Linda University Medical Center, where he died Aug. 29 of massive internal injuries.

An investigator in the case testified earlier this month that Mikey was kicked, burned with a lighter, dropped on his head and forced to eat his own feces on the night of Aug. 27-28 before Mendoza put him to bed.

Seiber was at work at the time.

Cox and Mendoza have been charged with murder with the special circumstance of torture and assault on a child resulting in great bodily injury or death, meaning they are eligible for the death penalty if prosecutors request it.

Mendoza is charged also with abusing his now-deceased father, Marcellino Mendoza.

After three days of testimony that started last month, Judge Elisabeth Sichel said she would announce at 4 p.m. today whether to hold the two men for trial.*

During a courtroom break after Seiber's sentencing, paramedics were called to treat the woman for an anxiety attack. Seiber is fourth months pregnant.

Bill Seiber, Pamela Seiber's father, called the sentence "excessive."

"She recognized that she bore responsibility," Seiber said, noting that his daughter had voluntarily entered a guilty plea in May. The boy's father, Francisco Vallejo, is in state prison.

After the break, a handcuffed Seiber took the stand to testify at the preliminary hearing for the two men.

Calmly, Seiber recounted how she had met Mendoza at Fantasies, the strip club where she performed in July 2005. In early August, Seiber and her son began spending time at Mendoza's Rubidoux home.

Seiber said Mendoza was openly critical of her child-rearing methods, calling Mikey "a sissy" who needed to be toughened up. Mendoza said he wanted to make Mikey "a soldier" and at one point urged him to beat up his Elmo doll, Seiber said.

Five days before her son was admitted to the hospital, Seiber said, she broke it off after she saw Mendoza slapping her son on the back of the head.

"I told him not to hit my son," she said.

But she returned when Mendoza promised to be more affectionate with the boy.

I am simply stunned that anyone (I can't even imagine Fred Phelps doing this) in the world could be so intensely stupid. I haven't the vocabulary to describe how vile this man is.

I think Alex Mendoza deserves to be slowly tortured to death over the next 20 years. However, without knowing the exact details of her involvement (or lack thereof), I'm not so sure Pamela Seiber deserves a prison sentence. I am sure she deserves a total hysterectomy. (Yes, I know, unconstitutional, blab blah blah....) What do y'all think?


*Judge Sichel has ruled that there is sufficient evidence to try Alex.

[Capt Jack]

20 years of torture is a waste on such a walking POS.

a .22 in the base of the skull and call it a day. even then its a waste of ammo on such a piece of human fecal matter. I also find it pathetic that this person saw it as 'making a real man' out of him when he so obviously lacked that quality himself.

her...thats a tough one. yeah, she failed to protect her son from this monster but prison I dont think will help her any. shes lost her son for her inaction...thats a pretty high price in its own right.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Capt Jack

20 years of torture is a waste on such a walking POS.

a .22 in the base of the skull and call it a day. even then its a waste of ammo on such a piece of human fecal matter.

Having read my share of probation reports, I'd hazard a guess that the two men grew up in homes that were fairly similar to the one the poor kid lived in.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Having read my share of probation reports, I'd hazard a guess that the two men grew up in homes that were fairly similar to the one the poor kid lived in.

BFD. We all choose what kind of people to become. Having lived through hell is not an excuse to put others through hell.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

BFD. We all choose what kind of people to become.

We do? I guess my black, Latino, white trashy and generally fatherless clients who started abusing alcohol and serious drugs at age 12 just made bad choices stemming from a weak character.

We do? I guess my San Francisco Russian Hill neighbors who did not regularly bust liquor bottles in the street and shoot each other made better choices and had better character than my San Francisco Western Addition housing project neighbors who did.

We do? Good, then I've got my evenings back.

I've been a crime victim, I didn't care for it, and I believe that people need to be protected. However, we should approach criminal justice with sadness and humility. The conservative spin on that is "There but for the grace of God go I."

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

We do? I guess my black, Latino, white trashy and generally fatherless clients who started abusing alcohol and serious drugs at age 12 just made bad choices stemming from a weak character.

I understand what you are saying. But at some point they are going to have to decide what kind of life they are going to live. They may not be able to do that at 12, but at some point there has to be some personal responsibility.

Kids that are molested often molest other, smaller kids. If an eight year old that has been sexually abused molests one of my kids, I'll do my best to help him and his parents get the help they need. If that same person turned 30 and molests one of my kids, I'm going to try to chop off his balls. The reasons for the action haven't changed, but the accountability has.

We do? I guess my San Francisco Russian Hill neighbors who did not regularly bust liquor bottles in the street and shoot each other made better choices and had better character than my San Francisco Western Addition housing project neighbors who did.

So what is the difference between the two? I'm not familiar with the areas.

I've been a crime victim, I didn't care for it, and I believe that people need to be protected. However, we should approach criminal justice with sadness and humility. The conservative spin on that is "There but for the grace of God go I."

I agree. Perhaps it's that this particular issue is too close to my heart, because I really have no compassion for people that hit kids. Even if I understand (but don't excuse) why they do it.

[Ponine]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

BFD. We all choose what kind of people to become. Having lived through hell is not an excuse to put others through hell.

I said I would stay out of this thread..... why didnt I listen to myself???

Do you think that "living through hell" does not predispose you to create it?
That what a child lives through, they might not always see as wrong? or that they oculd be predisposed the behavior because its what they lived with?

Now I can see that the child of an alchoholic can "make a choice" to not be an alchoholic, but in the right socio-economic situation, what if they see no other alternatives?
What if they see the exact same life just come to play before their eyes...
and in part, because there was no one there to point out the differences.

The young woman that was just found after ten years 'in captivity' is now 18. She was given access to a radio, she had magazines, but she didnt have exposure to other teenagers from what we hear. No peer pressure.
All the ideas she came to beleive, were from one person, and herself.
She didnt get to make a choice as to whether or not to be a drug addict, she didnt have access.

Much the same as a teenager with constant access to drugs might not understand there is a choice.
I'm rambling... but you have me curious T.

[tracilicious]

[quote=Ponine]
Do you think that "living through hell" does not predispose you to create it?
That what a child lives through, they might not always see as wrong? or that they oculd be predisposed the behavior because its what they lived with?[quote]

I guess I don't completely get why people don't make see the behavior that caused them so much suffering and go to extra effort not to cause that suffering for others. That obviously doesn't happen often. I just don't know why it doesn't.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

BFD. We all choose what kind of people to become. Having lived through hell is not an excuse to put others through hell.

I think you're mistaking "explanation" for "excuse". No one's trying to excuse this scumbag for what he's done, but it's important as a society that we recognize the factors that create such scumbags. Very few people with stable upbringings suddenly choose to become child-beaters. The vast majority of the time, people who perform this kind of violence on children had similar childhoods. And the further we move as a society towards understanding that causality, the further we move towards breaking the cycle.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I think you're mistaking "explanation" for "excuse". No one's trying to excuse this scumbag for what he's done, but it's important as a society that we recognize the factors that create such scumbags. Very few people with stable upbringings suddenly choose to become child-beaters. The vast majority of the time, people who perform this kind of violence on children had similar childhoods. And the further we move as a society towards understanding that causality, the further we move towards breaking the cycle.

I especially agree with this post. Just wanted to acknowledge that in an Alex Stroup approved manner.