BOOM!

Moonliner · 10-08-2006, 08:34 PM

Late reports are that North Korea tested a nuclear device today.

If true, I guess that rather puts a nail in the Presidents policy to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

wendybeth · 10-08-2006, 08:42 PM

We're all much safer now. Really.

scaeagles · 10-08-2006, 09:12 PM

Ah...if you want to talk about blame, I could go into how they got the tech and materials needed to build the weapon, but that would just be dem bashing, I suppose. And there is no conjecture about it.

Alex · 10-08-2006, 09:25 PM

Good for them. The sooner we move beyond the folly of non-proliferation the sooner we can react to the real world.

Alex · 10-08-2006, 09:34 PM

The "good for them" part was sardonic.

But I do think pretty much global proliferation is inevitable unless we are willing to commit to a policy of invading and toppling every government that tries for it.

Since we aren't willing to do that (and shouldn't, in my view) what we are going through with North Korea and Iran (and in the past with other countries) is just a form of kabuki that is a lot of motion with no meaning.

wendybeth · 10-08-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Ah...if you want to talk about blame, I could go into how they got the tech and materials needed to build the weapon, but that would just be dem bashing, I suppose. And there is no conjecture about it.

Wow, only two posts in- you're on a roll, Scaeagles!

Moonliner · 10-09-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Ah...if you want to talk about blame, I could go into how they got the tech and materials needed to build the weapon, but that would just be dem bashing, I suppose. And there is no conjecture about it.

I'm not clear, you trying to argue against the idea that Bush had as a central policy of his administration the prevention of North Korea developing nuclear weapons, or are you just trying to distract from his policy failures by pointing blame in some other direction?

However, I do find it encouraging that all the worlds major powers, including China, have strongly denounced this action by North Korea. I hope this administration can take advantage of that global consensus and work with the world community to force changes in North Korean policy and not fritter away the support of the global community like they did after 9/11.

scaeagles · 10-09-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I'm not clear, you trying to argue against the idea that Bush had as a central policy of his administration the prevention of North Korea developing nuclear weapons, or are you just trying to distract from his policy failures by pointing blame in some other direction?

No....no denial there. But how did NK get the tech? It all has to do with the previous admin believing Long Jong Il-ver when he said he would only use nuke power plants for power, so the US gave them tech and (if I recall) supervised the building the nuke plants.

wendybeth · 10-09-2006, 06:34 PM

Perhaps said prior administration might actually have had the manpower and world support to spank lil' Kim for misbehaving- instead, he knows we're stretched far too thin to do anything about it now. We may have lipservice from other nations, but I seriously doubt they will back us up in the long run. At least not the UN, worthless piece of merde institution that it is.

tracilicious · 10-09-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

No....no denial there. But how did NK get the tech? It all has to do with the previous admin believing Long Jong Il-ver when he said he would only use nuke power plants for power, so the US gave them tech and (if I recall) supervised the building the nuke plants.

Heh heh. He said long jong. Heh heh.

(Sorry. Carry on.)

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	The "good for them" part was sardonic. But I do think pretty much global proliferation is inevitable unless we are willing to commit to a policy of invading and toppling every government that tries for it. Since we aren't willing to do that (and shouldn't, in my view) what we are going through with North Korea and Iran (and in the past with other countries) is just a form of kabuki that is a lot of motion with no meaning.
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Perhaps said prior administration might actually have had the manpower and world support to spank lil' Kim for misbehaving- instead, he knows we're stretched far too thin to do anything about it now. We may have lipservice from other nations, but I seriously doubt they will back us up in the long run. At least not the UN, worthless piece of merde institution that it is. __________________
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