Guns at Disneyworld.

Tref · 07-08-2008, 11:46 AM

Guns is not a new Pixar film about a town of talking firearms, but a battle Disney is fighting in Florida -- your thoughts?

Gun Control’s Newest Champion: Disney?

Gun control advocates are reeling after the Supreme Court struck down a 32-year-old D.C. handgun ban, essentially handing a victory banner to the NRA. But now there’s cause to take heart: Disney’s got your back, thanks to a technological loophole.
While Florida recently enacted a law allowing residents with proper permits to keep guns locked in their cars at work, the state’s biggest corporate juggernaut has announced plans to exempt its 60,000 employees from the law. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the company has turned up its nose at lawmakers, circulating an internal memo advising employees that bringing unauthorized guns onto Disney property was grounds for termination.

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Disney guard fired over concealed weapon

ORLANDO, Fla., July 8 (UPI) -- A security guard fired from Florida's Disney World over his wish to keep a concealed weapon in his car is vowing to continue the fight.
Edwin Sotomayor, 36, of Orlando, was terminated Monday for violating three Disney employee policies ...

Sotomayor announced he intended to bring a gun to work, locked in his vehicle. Then after he showed up at Animal Kingdom Friday, he declined to let Disney authorities search his car, leading to his suspension and firing.

Sotomayor said he expects the security guards' union to challenge his termination after 13 years at Disney World ...

"I am not going to stop this fight," he said. "This is going to end somewhere good."

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Mickey to support the bill? Maybe. But Dumbo is definitely on board!
Bullets can be cute!
What about the guests?
Do ray guns count?
To fire weapon, place finger on Donald's crotch
They will fight to the death for your right to fight to the death, or just shoot up a lot of people in Disneyland.
Unforgiven's Little Bill Daggett hired to check for guns at employee entrance.
Dead kids to support Disney's ban on guns
Why does this man hate our civil liberties?

Moonliner · 07-08-2008, 11:58 AM

No company should be above the law. Disney is no exception.

The law of the land in Florida is that private citizens are allowed to store firearms in their cars. The "fireworks" claim is a sham.; Disney is just attempting to enforce their own laws at the expense of civil liberties.

DreadPirateRoberts · 07-08-2008, 12:17 PM

Does the fact that it is private property make any difference?

~MS~ · 07-08-2008, 12:25 PM

See to me, this is on the same level as drinking....it's totally legal to drink (if you're of legal drinking age) but any employer has the right to say you may NOT drink on company time or properties. Same thing, Disney isn't saying their employees can't own or conceal weapons, they just are banning them from their private property. I don't see that as being 'above the law'

Moonliner · 07-08-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ~MS~

See to me, this is on the same level as drinking....it's totally legal to drink (if you're of legal drinking age) but any employer has the right to say you may NOT drink on company time or properties. Same thing, Disney isn't saying their employees can't own or conceal weapons, they just are banning them from their private property. I don't see that as being 'above the law'

The law specifically states that employees have a right to store a firearm in their vehicle while at work. So the "private property" argument is moot. Of course there are exceptions for schools and the like but theme parks are not part of those exceptions which is why Disney (and Universal but not Sea World) is trying wiggle their way out of the law.

scaeagles · 07-08-2008, 12:26 PM

I'm not exactly sure what i think about this. I am big into private property rights.

If it were the opposite, and the law was that conceal carry in a car was specifically disallowed by law, Disney would have no legal authority to say that employees of theirs were allowed to do so.

However, even though free speech is a specific constitutional right, it is reasonable to suggest that Disney employees can't tell guests that Universal is a better deal and more fun and could be fired for doing so.

In AZ, there are many public smoking bans, and private property owners are not allowed to simply exclude themselves because they wish to allow smoking.

I can see both sides, but i would figure Disney is in the wrong.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-08-2008, 12:32 PM

It's not illegal to look at porn, make personal phone calls, sit and stare at a wall without doing any work, make sexual advances towards a person, tell a secret to someone you're not supposed to. All of these are acts that you cannot, and should not be arrested for. But they are all also acts that you can and, depending on the case, should be fired for.

Conditions for employment is not the same thing as law.

ETA: Ah, was unaware of the "Guns at Work Law". In that case, Disney is clearly in the wrong if it's explicitly codified into law

Tref · 07-08-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

ETA: Ah, was unaware of the "Guns at Work Law". In that case, Disney is clearly in the wrong if it's explicitly codified into law

Sometimes being in the wrong is a good thing.

innerSpaceman · 07-08-2008, 12:41 PM

You need a Florida lawyer, and then a court to determine this ... but my take on it is that it's private property, and guns can be forbidden anywhere on private property.

The Supreme Court ruling does not allow someone to drive into my home (say, if I had a beautiful home fit for cars, like a nice dealership) and have gun in there simply because it's in his car that's inside my home.

BTW: There are going to be TONS of lawsuits over the Supreme Court ruling to determine the new boundaries on gun control laws, and to reverse tons of convictions that were based on the now-unconstitutional gun control laws.

Moonliner · 07-08-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

The Supreme Court ruling does not allow someone to drive into my home (say, if I had a beautiful home fit for cars, like a nice dealership) and have gun in there simply because it's in his car that's inside my home.

The Supreme Count rulling? No, it does not. However the Florida:

"Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008" does, assuming your nice house is in Florida and we are talking about an employee of yours that works in the house.

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Tref Not Tref Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,188	Guns at Disneyworld. Guns is not a new Pixar film about a town of talking firearms, but a battle Disney is fighting in Florida -- your thoughts? Gun Control’s Newest Champion: Disney? Gun control advocates are reeling after the Supreme Court struck down a 32-year-old D.C. handgun ban, essentially handing a victory banner to the NRA. But now there’s cause to take heart: Disney’s got your back, thanks to a technological loophole. While Florida recently enacted a law allowing residents with proper permits to keep guns locked in their cars at work, the state’s biggest corporate juggernaut has announced plans to exempt its 60,000 employees from the law. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the company has turned up its nose at lawmakers, circulating an internal memo advising employees that bringing unauthorized guns onto Disney property was grounds for termination. To read the whole article, click here Disney guard fired over concealed weapon ORLANDO, Fla., July 8 (UPI) -- A security guard fired from Florida's Disney World over his wish to keep a concealed weapon in his car is vowing to continue the fight. Edwin Sotomayor, 36, of Orlando, was terminated Monday for violating three Disney employee policies ... Sotomayor announced he intended to bring a gun to work, locked in his vehicle. Then after he showed up at Animal Kingdom Friday, he declined to let Disney authorities search his car, leading to his suspension and firing. Sotomayor said he expects the security guards' union to challenge his termination after 13 years at Disney World ... "I am not going to stop this fight," he said. "This is going to end somewhere good." To read the whole article, click here Mickey to support the bill? Maybe. But Dumbo is definitely on board! Bullets can be cute! What about the guests? Do ray guns count? To fire weapon, place finger on Donald's crotch They will fight to the death for your right to fight to the death, or just shoot up a lot of people in Disneyland. Unforgiven's Little Bill Daggett hired to check for guns at employee entrance. Dead kids to support Disney's ban on guns Why does this man hate our civil liberties? __________________ Tref3.0 Listen in aural 3-D to Pop's muzak! (New songs added semi-bi-daily) j & j Did you know that Emas eht yltcaxe is exactly the same spelled backwards?! Last edited by Tref : 07-08-2008 at 12:44 PM.
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~MS~ One Happy little Missy! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 658	See to me, this is on the same level as drinking....it's totally legal to drink (if you're of legal drinking age) but any employer has the right to say you may NOT drink on company time or properties. Same thing, Disney isn't saying their employees can't own or conceal weapons, they just are banning them from their private property. I don't see that as being 'above the law' __________________ "Sometimes Miracles Hide"
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm not exactly sure what i think about this. I am big into private property rights. If it were the opposite, and the law was that conceal carry in a car was specifically disallowed by law, Disney would have no legal authority to say that employees of theirs were allowed to do so. However, even though free speech is a specific constitutional right, it is reasonable to suggest that Disney employees can't tell guests that Universal is a better deal and more fun and could be fired for doing so. In AZ, there are many public smoking bans, and private property owners are not allowed to simply exclude themselves because they wish to allow smoking. I can see both sides, but i would figure Disney is in the wrong.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	You need a Florida lawyer, and then a court to determine this ... but my take on it is that it's private property, and guns can be forbidden anywhere on private property. The Supreme Court ruling does not allow someone to drive into my home (say, if I had a beautiful home fit for cars, like a nice dealership) and have gun in there simply because it's in his car that's inside my home. BTW: There are going to be TONS of lawsuits over the Supreme Court ruling to determine the new boundaries on gun control laws, and to reverse tons of convictions that were based on the now-unconstitutional gun control laws.
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