A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[innerSpaceman]

Decided to go with "What Does My Marriage Have to Do With Yours?"

Thanks, Greg.


On my way now.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I will look for you'all on TV!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I hoped to see H8 protesters in Orange today but there were only a handful of the usual Wednesday War Protesters and their Opponents.

Good on you, those that are marching tonight. Give 'em hell.

[Kevy Baby]

If I thought that I could make it to the protest in time (leaving OC at 6:35), I would go.

[katiesue]

Kudos to everyone marching tonight. I'm with you in spirit!

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Someone sent me this. Thought I'd share.

FRIENDS!!!

About an a min ago, I personally contacted the California Secretary of State. The guy that I talked to said that they are still counting the votes for it. PROPOSITION 8 HAS NOT BEEN CALLED.
They will not know the results until DECEMBER 13th!

All media has announced a victory for Yes on 8! THIS IS WRONG.



Call today!

CA secretary of state:
(916) 657-2166,
or you can lodge a recorded complaint by calling 1-800-345-VOTE

[Isaac]

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Um, except that the young grow old.


Young people do not automatically retain their optimism, peacefulness, love and good-heartedness. It evaporates in all too many people.


If that weren't the sad truth, the 80's would have been utopia when all the wonderful youth of the 60's grew to be the core of society. It didn't happen that way then, and it won't now.

I don't know about that - the idealism of the 60s did make its way into social changes. My workplace is certainly a more diverse place now than it was then. I don't think people become more bigoted as the age.

I think what's happening now is gay rights is now entering the consciousness as women and minority rights did in the 60s and the inherited bigotry of their parents are at odds with their own experience of the world.

[Isaac]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I don't know about that - the idealism of the 60s did make its way into social changes. My workplace is certainly a more diverse place now than it was then. I don't think people become more bigoted as the age.

I think what's happening now is gay rights is now entering the consciousness as women and minority rights did in the 60s and the inherited bigotry of their parents are at odds with their own experience of the world.

Totally.

To me, this is the next big movement for equal rights.

Go back 50 years, there was a big movement for equal rights for minorities (segregated restrooms, ban on interracial marriage). Fifty years before that, women couldn't vote. Another Fifty years back....slavery.

[Not Afraid]

The main thing that I want to get across to people who voted Yes on 8 is that bigotry and hatred are WRONG and will not be accepted in our society. It took a while for ANY equal rights issue to become a standard. It will take time, but it WILL happen.

An interesting theory I heard today about why 8 won. The voter turnout this election was HUGE - especially among the Black and Latino voters who wanted Obama to be their next president. Many of these people are not usual voters. Black and Latinos also tend to be god-fearing religious people - Catholic, Baptist, etc. The theory was that if Obma wasn't an option for President, mny of these people wouldn't have voted and 8 would have been a firm No.

I that is true, then I think that comparisons to the Civil Rights Movement, to segregation, to hate crimes against blacks, and to other nasty wrongs in America's past should be played up. Not many in today's world would dare to be openly racist against a black person or even suggest that their rights should be any different thn anyone else. I think the parrallel should be drawn and emphasized and maybe there will be more understanding.