"Liberal Queer"

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I can appreciate how you would feel this way. Your way of life is not under attack. Mine is. Can you give me the same understanding? Kinda like I feel about those pushing for a gay marriage amendment.

My way of life is not under attack? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. There are many people who want to silence me and my beliefs too-

But I am trying to understand- though I still fail to see why this is being interjected into this conversation. I thought we were talking about hating the sin and loving the sinner- not gay marriage ammendments.

I don't mean to be trite- but given how strongly bans on gay marriage passed, then I would say there are alot of people you are labeling Keyes "ilk"-

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I can appreciate how you would feel this way...

You make a lot of good points here, Mr. McSam.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

But I am trying to understand- though I still fail to see why this is being interjected into this conversation. I thought we were talking about hating the sin and loving the sinner- not gay marriage ammendments.

Because "hate the sin, love the sinner" is one of the first points that always gets trotted out in these little discussions. And as I stated to Leo earlier, we wouldn't even be enjoying this thread so amiably were Keyes not so well known for his public pronouncements on gays in general, his gay daughter and the gay marriage amendment.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I don't mean to be trite- but given how strongly bans on gay marriage passed, then I would say there are alot of people you are labeling Keyes "ilk"-

I sense your taking the word "ilk" as a slur. It simply means "like" or "kind", as in "Mr Keyes and his like" or "Mr. Keyes and his kind".

[wendybeth]

Mr. Keyes has run for office, and likely will again. Should he get into office, then his views can and probably will show in the types of legislation he supports or proposes. As a commentator, he also wields influence on current and future lawmaking. This thread is not just about the relationship between a father and a daughter, but also between two people who are politically active in their respective areas of interest.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I am also trying really really hard to not get ticked off about the comment- "it must not have been easy growing up in that enviornment " because I find that comment to be remarkably intolerant of those who choose to raise their children in a conservative Christian home.

That comment, as I read it, was not directed at all people who choose to raise their family with conservative Christian values. It was aimed specifically at this situation, with a father actively working towards legislation that would make it illegal for his daughter to be happy.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That comment, as I read it, was not directed at all people who choose to raise their family with conservative Christian values. It was aimed specifically at this situation, with a father actively working towards legislation that would make it illegal for his daughter to be happy.

Not to mention a father who characterizes gay people as nothing more than "selfish hedonists".

[Nephythys]

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

[Scrooge McSam]

Well, I'll admit you might not be the right one to bounce that idea off of.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

Not a requirement, however if you were someone for whom marriage DOES lead to happiness, it sure would suck if you were legally prevented from doing it.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

Happiness doesn't require the right to eat ice cream either.