Song of the South on the horizon?

Snowflake · 03-27-2007, 07:29 PM

News story here

I guess only time will tell, "reconsidering" does not make it so. In fact, hell might freeze over first.

innerSpaceman · 03-27-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Associated Press

The movie ... never refers to blacks on the plantation as slaves. It makes clear they work for the family, living down dirt roads in wood shacks while the white characters stay in a mansion. ...it's not clear that the movie is intentionally racist, but it inappropriately projects Remus as a happy, laughing storyteller even though he's a plantation worker.

I will never understand why it's inappropriate for even an oppressed field hand to be portrayed as happy. Need everything make a political statement? Even today ... if an oppressed character were portrayed as miserable solely to make a statement about their oppression, I would consider that retarded stereotyping.

Why is Gone With the Wind not subjected to the same claptrap as Song of the South? Some of those slaves in GWTW were portrayed as kinda happy, regardless.

In any event, I'm not sure I'd buy SOTS if it were released on DVD. I already own a bootleg VHS ... and, well, it's not that great a film.

(Aren't acronyms fun?)

Alex · 03-27-2007, 08:58 PM

Yeah, I've always said that the ironic thing about it all is that Song of the South isn't very good. The live action sections are pretty bad and the animated parts just so so.

I think a big part of the problem with how the movie is viewed by blacks is that it is part of a larger tapestry of revisionist southern history that was very common from the early 1900s up until the Civil Rights movement really got going in the '50s. The idea that really everybody was pretty decent people in the slave south. That slaveowners respected their chattel and looked out for them and that when freed many were more than happy to just keep on as they'd been in all but legality. That somehow sharecropping was a legitimate business arrangement reached between the blacks and the whites.

Particularly at the time it was made (and remember that the NAACP and others protested this well before it was even released) this revisionist view of the relationship between blacks and whites in the south was used to cover up the sins of Jim Crow, of separate but somehow equal. I don't think the complaint is so much that Uncle Remus is happy but that there is no indication that he might have reason for being unhappy.

In other words, I think there is reasonable argument for finding Song of the South objectionable to some degree. But I don't think that is good reason to hide the film (though it could be a good business reason) and as long as Holiday Inn continues to get play on TV every Christmas I don't really see how SotS is any worse than many other movies that aren't protested actively. One big difference, though, is that Disney is widely viewed as a major avenue for exposing children to our popular culture. Gone with the Wind is primarily targeted to adults while Song of the South is (in the view of most, including myself considering how simplistic it is) for children.

I still say that what Iger should do it allow release of an un-remastered version of the movie with appropriate disclaimers about historicity. Undermarket it and overprice it. The collectors who really want it get it and when it underperforms in the market it goes back in the vault and they can say "hey, we released and nobody really bought it."

cirquelover · 03-27-2007, 09:34 PM

I know I'd buy it. I'm sure my memories are fuzzy because I haven't seen it since I was a child but I remember loving the animated parts and loving Uncle Remus. I would like for my son to at least be able to see it.

I've thought about getting one off of Ebay but you never know what you're getting. I have seen the Japanese version on the discs and we have one of the players in the extra room. We actually bought the disc player so we could play Disney store discs. I don't even remember where we came across the discs they use on the screens in the store but the boy loved them! Maybe that's how I converted him so young to love all things Disney!

mousepod · 03-27-2007, 09:46 PM

... and if anyone wants to contribute to the Song of the South MousePod (the episode that goes up in three weeks), you know where to find me.

RStar · 03-27-2007, 09:55 PM

I wonder if Disney isn't waiting for the right moment to get this otherwise unknown movie to get a big release media frenzy going so that they will sell a million copies to people who are just plain curious.

It seems like they are going to want to at least convert it to digital media soon if they haven't all ready to keep it safe, and then they may as well start cleaning it up also.

Alex · 03-27-2007, 10:03 PM

It has been released digitally in other countries. Don't know what maintenance was done.

My copy is one that I thought was legal when I bought it but turned out not to be. So it sits in obscurity, probably never to be watched again (mostly because I didn't like it, though a little guilt for stealing it).

mousepod · 03-27-2007, 10:07 PM

I don't think it has been released "digitally" anywhere officially, if you mean DVD compression. The only non-VHS release that was unquestionably Disney was the Japanese laserdisc, which wasn't cleaned up at all. There were other laserdiscs from Asia, but I don't think they were legit releases. Well, the Hong Kong version may have been legit.

I've seen people selling DVDs that they say were European releases, but as far as I can tell, they are absolute bootlegs.

Prudence · 03-27-2007, 10:10 PM

I don't remember the movie so much as I associate it with a time when my dad made a big point of taking my brother and I out individually for various activities. I saw Song of the South in the movie theater with my dad. Good times.

Jazzman · 03-27-2007, 10:49 PM

Heh. If SOTS actually was released, it would cause the collapse of all Disney related message boards. I mean, how could they all survive without an "Is Song of the South going to evvveerrrr be released!?!?!?" thread being posted every three days? If it came out, we'd all actually have to, I don't know, think of something else to talk about!

AHHHHHH!!!!!

(BTW, I'm just musing. No offense intended to the OP)

03-27-2007, 07:29 PM	#1
Snowflake lost in the fog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 7,831	Song of the South on the horizon? News story here I guess only time will tell, "reconsidering" does not make it so. In fact, hell might freeze over first.
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03-27-2007, 08:58 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, I've always said that the ironic thing about it all is that Song of the South isn't very good. The live action sections are pretty bad and the animated parts just so so. I think a big part of the problem with how the movie is viewed by blacks is that it is part of a larger tapestry of revisionist southern history that was very common from the early 1900s up until the Civil Rights movement really got going in the '50s. The idea that really everybody was pretty decent people in the slave south. That slaveowners respected their chattel and looked out for them and that when freed many were more than happy to just keep on as they'd been in all but legality. That somehow sharecropping was a legitimate business arrangement reached between the blacks and the whites. Particularly at the time it was made (and remember that the NAACP and others protested this well before it was even released) this revisionist view of the relationship between blacks and whites in the south was used to cover up the sins of Jim Crow, of separate but somehow equal. I don't think the complaint is so much that Uncle Remus is happy but that there is no indication that he might have reason for being unhappy. In other words, I think there is reasonable argument for finding Song of the South objectionable to some degree. But I don't think that is good reason to hide the film (though it could be a good business reason) and as long as Holiday Inn continues to get play on TV every Christmas I don't really see how SotS is any worse than many other movies that aren't protested actively. One big difference, though, is that Disney is widely viewed as a major avenue for exposing children to our popular culture. Gone with the Wind is primarily targeted to adults while Song of the South is (in the view of most, including myself considering how simplistic it is) for children. I still say that what Iger should do it allow release of an un-remastered version of the movie with appropriate disclaimers about historicity. Undermarket it and overprice it. The collectors who really want it get it and when it underperforms in the market it goes back in the vault and they can say "hey, we released and nobody really bought it."
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03-27-2007, 09:34 PM	#4
cirquelover Cruising around in my automobile... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,617	I know I'd buy it. I'm sure my memories are fuzzy because I haven't seen it since I was a child but I remember loving the animated parts and loving Uncle Remus. I would like for my son to at least be able to see it. I've thought about getting one off of Ebay but you never know what you're getting. I have seen the Japanese version on the discs and we have one of the players in the extra room. We actually bought the disc player so we could play Disney store discs. I don't even remember where we came across the discs they use on the screens in the store but the boy loved them! Maybe that's how I converted him so young to love all things Disney!
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03-27-2007, 09:46 PM	#5
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	... and if anyone wants to contribute to the Song of the South MousePod (the episode that goes up in three weeks), you know where to find me. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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03-27-2007, 09:55 PM	#6
RStar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Me & Manyard hangin out! Posts: 5,433	I wonder if Disney isn't waiting for the right moment to get this otherwise unknown movie to get a big release media frenzy going so that they will sell a million copies to people who are just plain curious. It seems like they are going to want to at least convert it to digital media soon if they haven't all ready to keep it safe, and then they may as well start cleaning it up also. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup! www.StarTownGifts.com
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03-27-2007, 10:03 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	It has been released digitally in other countries. Don't know what maintenance was done. My copy is one that I thought was legal when I bought it but turned out not to be. So it sits in obscurity, probably never to be watched again (mostly because I didn't like it, though a little guilt for stealing it).
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03-27-2007, 10:07 PM	#8
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I don't think it has been released "digitally" anywhere officially, if you mean DVD compression. The only non-VHS release that was unquestionably Disney was the Japanese laserdisc, which wasn't cleaned up at all. There were other laserdiscs from Asia, but I don't think they were legit releases. Well, the Hong Kong version may have been legit. I've seen people selling DVDs that they say were European releases, but as far as I can tell, they are absolute bootlegs. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney Last edited by mousepod : 03-27-2007 at 10:11 PM. Reason: Added that the HK LD might have been official. Maybe. Possibly.
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03-27-2007, 10:10 PM	#9
Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	I don't remember the movie so much as I associate it with a time when my dad made a big point of taking my brother and I out individually for various activities. I saw Song of the South in the movie theater with my dad. Good times. __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
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03-27-2007, 10:49 PM	#10
Jazzman Sax God Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland's Tijuana Posts: 510	Heh. If SOTS actually was released, it would cause the collapse of all Disney related message boards. I mean, how could they all survive without an "Is Song of the South going to evvveerrrr be released!?!?!?" thread being posted every three days? If it came out, we'd all actually have to, I don't know, think of something else to talk about! AHHHHHH!!!!! (BTW, I'm just musing. No offense intended to the OP)
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