Amnesty and my membership in the Republican party

scaeagles · 05-18-2007, 08:32 AM

I'm not sure who said it first, but I have not left the Republican party, the Republican party has left me.

I've stood by GWB in spite of the fact that he is not a conservative (been over this before). I've grown gradually disillusioned with him over how the Iraq War has been fought (which I'm sure is not in like with why most here are unhappy about it), and with the immigration bill that sure looks like is going to be passed with his full freakin support.....it simply makes me sick.

The one Republican I directly vote for that I still respected, being AZ Senator Jon Kyl, has put his support behind this bill. Wow....each illegal will have to pay an interest free 5000 over 8 years, or $52/month. $52 a month. I wonder how much the cost of the social services that will be received is.

This is what had happened to the Republicans during the Ford Administration (for a wide variety of reasons). Everyone here knows I was a huge fan of Reagan, and I wonder if there is another Reagan out there. Guiliani isn't. McCain sure as hell isn't. Don't know enough about Romney to say. I like some of the others, but they haven't the name recognition or the fund raising capability to become real contenders.

I am sickened. I am very, very close to calling the Republican Party, telling them to go to hell, and becoming a libertarian (or just having no political affiliation).

innerSpaceman · 05-18-2007, 08:43 AM

It's a start!

And if you ever, ya know, evolve that far ....

gabba gabba, we accept you, we accept you, one of us

Kevy Baby · 05-18-2007, 08:51 AM

I am with you on this Leo. I too have become disillusioned with the Republican Party. I think the part that is bugging me the most is the influence that the Religious Right is having on the party.

I too have looked at the Libertarian party. I wish they could get organized and get a strong candidate. Our current political system is in SERIOUS need of a major shakeup (and when I say that, I include the Dems just as much as the Republicans).

Snowflake · 05-18-2007, 08:53 AM

Well, Leo, even though your political viewpoint has differed from mine, I always have respected your opinion, you're a fair individual and I find that a quality to also respect most highly.

Libertarian, Independant, or the political party of no name, you've got my vote as one cool cat regardless of politics.

I'm sorry you're in a quagmire, but as iSm said, it's a start!

Oh, and

who'da thunk it?

BarTopDancer · 05-18-2007, 08:56 AM

/looks around for polar bears and smoke monsters.

I agreed with many of the aspects of the Republican party. Way back when I was 18, completely unjaded by the process and the Religious Right wasn't so involved in taking away rights of women and people who are gay.

Now I'm jaded by the process, the system. There are the Republicrats and the Democrins. The parties are the same. The process needs a make-over. Where is Ty Pennington when you need him.

Don't think of it as a party change. Think of it as following your politics. They are no longer in your party.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-18-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Where is Ty Pennington when you need him.

In jail.

Kevy Baby · 05-18-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

In jail.

Well, then he fits right in with either party!

BarTopDancer · 05-18-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

In jail.

Damn Republicans locking up the gays.

yes, I know he was arrested for a DUI

Capt Jack · 05-18-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I have not left the Republican party, the Republican party has left me.

I know the feeling.
for geebus sake, Im an NRA member. I was asked once if NRA stood for "New Republican Army". (a whole other clusterfvck I wont get into)...we're supposed to have an elephant tatooed across our back. instead, seeing everything that has transpired and still seems headed downhill (or perhaps off a cliff) I feel more like I have a jacka$$ tatooed across my forehead and an ACTUAL elephant on my back.

last time amnesty was granted to illegally resident aliens, there was a mad rush...literally, a mad rush of people streaming THROUGH the border check points and actual gates to get into the country before the cutoff took effect. Running up the freeway!!

Ted Kennedy said "never again...that was useless" and yet comes out in favor of it again. Bush endorses it. both sides lose face in this one. In addition, they lost me as well.

then again with this damn fence. they cant keep people from tunneling a mile in distance underground to avoid detection and a fence is going to make the difference?

uh huh.

bastards all

I quit.

Strangler Lewis · 05-18-2007, 09:27 AM

I'm curious which of the remaining low profile candidates interest you since most of them are frothing religious right types, the support of which seems inconsistent with libertarian leanings.

05-18-2007, 08:32 AM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Amnesty and my membership in the Republican party I'm not sure who said it first, but I have not left the Republican party, the Republican party has left me. I've stood by GWB in spite of the fact that he is not a conservative (been over this before). I've grown gradually disillusioned with him over how the Iraq War has been fought (which I'm sure is not in like with why most here are unhappy about it), and with the immigration bill that sure looks like is going to be passed with his full freakin support.....it simply makes me sick. The one Republican I directly vote for that I still respected, being AZ Senator Jon Kyl, has put his support behind this bill. Wow....each illegal will have to pay an interest free 5000 over 8 years, or $52/month. $52 a month. I wonder how much the cost of the social services that will be received is. This is what had happened to the Republicans during the Ford Administration (for a wide variety of reasons). Everyone here knows I was a huge fan of Reagan, and I wonder if there is another Reagan out there. Guiliani isn't. McCain sure as hell isn't. Don't know enough about Romney to say. I like some of the others, but they haven't the name recognition or the fund raising capability to become real contenders. I am sickened. I am very, very close to calling the Republican Party, telling them to go to hell, and becoming a libertarian (or just having no political affiliation).
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05-18-2007, 08:43 AM	#2
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05-18-2007, 08:51 AM	#3
Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	I am with you on this Leo. I too have become disillusioned with the Republican Party. I think the part that is bugging me the most is the influence that the Religious Right is having on the party. I too have looked at the Libertarian party. I wish they could get organized and get a strong candidate. Our current political system is in SERIOUS need of a major shakeup (and when I say that, I include the Dems just as much as the Republicans). __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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Snowflake lost in the fog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 7,831	Well, Leo, even though your political viewpoint has differed from mine, I always have respected your opinion, you're a fair individual and I find that a quality to also respect most highly. Libertarian, Independant, or the political party of no name, you've got my vote as one cool cat regardless of politics. I'm sorry you're in a quagmire, but as iSm said, it's a start! Oh, and who'da thunk it? __________________ Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde
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05-18-2007, 08:56 AM	#5
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	/looks around for polar bears and smoke monsters. I agreed with many of the aspects of the Republican party. Way back when I was 18, completely unjaded by the process and the Religious Right wasn't so involved in taking away rights of women and people who are gay. Now I'm jaded by the process, the system. There are the Republicrats and the Democrins. The parties are the same. The process needs a make-over. Where is Ty Pennington when you need him. Don't think of it as a party change. Think of it as following your politics. They are no longer in your party. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I'm curious which of the remaining low profile candidates interest you since most of them are frothing religious right types, the support of which seems inconsistent with libertarian leanings. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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