A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[BarTopDancer]

My co-worker said there are 3 million absentee ballots to count still. Can anyone verify?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Hmm, I read that absentee ballots were counted first.

Either way, absentee ballots tend to skew conservative, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

ETA: Here's corroboration of the 3 million figure. That would include provisional ballots as well as absentee.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

That's not good. It will create the situation where couples feel like they have to get married now ready or not.

So gays get to experience what it is like to get pregnant?

[Gn2Dlnd]

According to the KNX website, the amendment will take effect immediately. The first Lesbian couple to be married in L.A. county is filing a lawsuit claiming the amendment is unconstitutional, as is the San Francisco city attorney.

I have to drive to Redlands today to make a delivery, last time I was there my waitress proudly introduced me to her female fiancee. I hope they were able to get married before this shiat.

I'm disgusted.

[Ghoulish Delight]

A bit of ignorance re: law, but I believe I'm right in thinking that federal constitutional law trumps state, yes? So if "separate but equal" has by precedent been deemed unconstitutional at the federal level, wouldn't that hold at the state level, even ignoring the "can't take away rights with a simple majority" precedent?

[Gemini Cricket]

It was such a buzz kill to read the LA Times newspaper headline this morning.
Big letters proclaiming Obama's win and directly under that in pretty big font "Gay Marriage Opposition Takes Early Lead" or something like that. Ugh.

Some will disagree with me but I knew 8 would pass when I looked at how well-funded Yes was. Way more money than No.

I am glad there are lawsuits being filed against 8 already. A struggle for equal rights is a long process.

I also wonder why the Mormon Church still has their tax-exempt status. Why doesn't something like this affect that status? Just curious.

I am glad Massachusetts still has marriage equality.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I also wonder why the Mormon Church still has their tax-exempt status. Why doesn't something like this affect that status? Just curious.

Why would they lose their tax-exampt status?

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

If it passes I'll be at Santa Monica and San Vicente tomorrow, marching towards the Mormon Temple in Westwood.

If I can get a couple thousand friends to join me, that is.

We didn't get arrested during the AB101 marches, I doubt that a peaceful, i.e., no destruction of property, march would get us arrested now.

Nice, easy, beginner protest march, straight down Santa Monica Blvd. and back. I'm thinking 4 or 5 in the evening. Fvcks up traffic all kinds of ways. "You don't like being stuck in traffic? Go home and tell your wife!"

Do you know of any marches being planned? I would love to join if I can.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

"Prop 8: Congratulations Bigots"

On my drive in this morning, I modified (in my mind) your sign to read:

Proposition 8
The Bigots Win
This Round

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Why would they lose their tax-exampt status?

Because tax exempt status for churches has been conditional on the basis that they refrain from political activity.

ETA: Here are the pertinent lines in the IRS code:

no substantial part of [a 501(c)(3) organization's] activities" may consist of "carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation."9 The second restriction mandates that 501(c)(3) organizations may "not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."

Yeah, I'm going to have to say there's a pretty good case to be made that the Mormon church's substantial contributions violate the "influence legislation" clause in a big way, so don't count on anything happening.

That said, the IRS has never enforced that clause, and the question of that clause's Constitutionality in regards to free speech has never been challenged.