Tis the season...deja vu anyone? - Page 2

Moonliner · 12-05-2008, 08:34 AM

I don't think everything in life needs to be fair and balanced.

If your town square has had a nativity scene for the last umteen years then keep it as is.

If Santa makes a yearly appearence at your city counsel meetings great. Tradition should count for something in this country. I don't feel like we need to add a menorah, Kwanzaa thingy, etc... to every town square and building just to be "fair" and I actively resent people who try and stamp out traditional displays altogether as if that is somehow the moral high ground.

Look at the pretty lights, feel a little holiday cheer and get the F' over it.

Note: Just in case you were wondering, Christian symbolism is not exactly my cup of tea, as has been discussed previously I'm more of an Apathyst. Still I don't see the need to rain on the general holiday parade and I do like pretty lights and santa hats.

Snowflake · 12-05-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I don't think everything in life needs to be fair and balanced.

If your town square has had a nativity scene for the last umteen years then keep it as is.

If Santa makes a yearly appearence at your city counsel meetings great. Tradition should count for something in this country. I don't feel like we need to add a menorah, Kwanzaa thingy, etc... to every town square and building just to be "fair" and I actively resent people who try and stamp out traditional displays altogether as if that is somehow the moral high ground.

Look at the pretty lights, feel a little holiday cheer and get the F' over it.

Note: Just in case you were wondering, Christian symbolism is not exactly my cup of tea, as has been discussed previously I'm more of an Apathyst. Still I don't see the need to rain on the general holiday parade and I do like pretty lights and santa hats.

Love the avatar Moonie!

Prudence · 12-05-2008, 09:17 AM

Aside from being constantly amazed at the number of people in this world who think that being mean-spirited is the way to win converts, I was wondering if there were going to be pagans who were put off by solistice references.

bewitched · 12-05-2008, 10:30 AM

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If there was a Nativity there as well, wouldn't #2 apply as well?

I'm an atheist and I don't really care about Christmas displays on government property. Like it or not we are a predominantly Christian nation and so long as the same space is generally made avaialable to other groups who'd like a similar opportunity then I don't care.

That said, specifically targeting a Christmas display for a counter-display is a dick move as much as I agree with the sentiment.

Ditto...to this entire post.

Betty · 12-05-2008, 10:30 AM

I think that the other sign - was it a bus billboard - that referenced being good for goodness sake sort of think might be less inflamatory.

On the other hand, I find it comforting to not feel like the only one and having a public display professing that I'm not alone in feeling that way, is sort of cool.

But does the nativity scene offend me? No. In general, I don't really care much about it at all.

Kevy Baby · 12-05-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I don't think everything in life needs to be fair and balanced.

If your town square has had a nativity scene for the last umteen years then keep it as is.

If Santa makes a yearly appearence at your city counsel meetings great. Tradition should count for something in this country. I don't feel like we need to add a menorah, Kwanzaa thingy, etc... to every town square and building just to be "fair" and I actively resent people who try and stamp out traditional displays altogether as if that is somehow the moral high ground.

Look at the pretty lights, feel a little holiday cheer and get the F' over it.

As much as it pains me to do this: I agree wholeheartedly with Moonliner (although I did delete his last ¶)

Given that he is wrong so often, I do need to throw him a bone once in a while so as not to completely demoralize him.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-05-2008, 11:01 AM

While I might generally agree with Moonliner, I doubt either of you have been been first-hand targets of religious intolerance. I might agree that there's a point where sensitivity becomes over sensitivity, but it's easy to say, "It's just tradition, get over it," when you've never had a religious slur thrown your way.

Betty · 12-05-2008, 11:14 AM

We traditionally did things like discriminate and that doesn't make it ok.

Betty · 12-05-2008, 11:18 AM

Sign is gone now!

Alex · 12-05-2008, 11:28 AM

I do there there is value in the tradition argument, and even when of religious origin, a traditional thing carries some secular value.

I think that argument, however, was shredded when their were lawsuits charging that the traditional thing was not sufficiently religious and therefore more overt religious symbolism should be allowed (attempts to require calling it a Christmas tree rather than holiday tree and then to add a nativity scene).

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Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	I don't think everything in life needs to be fair and balanced. If your town square has had a nativity scene for the last umteen years then keep it as is. If Santa makes a yearly appearence at your city counsel meetings great. Tradition should count for something in this country. I don't feel like we need to add a menorah, Kwanzaa thingy, etc... to every town square and building just to be "fair" and I actively resent people who try and stamp out traditional displays altogether as if that is somehow the moral high ground. Look at the pretty lights, feel a little holiday cheer and get the F' over it. Note: Just in case you were wondering, Christian symbolism is not exactly my cup of tea, as has been discussed previously I'm more of an Apathyst. Still I don't see the need to rain on the general holiday parade and I do like pretty lights and santa hats. __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	Aside from being constantly amazed at the number of people in this world who think that being mean-spirited is the way to win converts, I was wondering if there were going to be pagans who were put off by solistice references. __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	I think that the other sign - was it a bus billboard - that referenced being good for goodness sake sort of think might be less inflamatory. On the other hand, I find it comforting to not feel like the only one and having a public display professing that I'm not alone in feeling that way, is sort of cool. But does the nativity scene offend me? No. In general, I don't really care much about it at all. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	While I might generally agree with Moonliner, I doubt either of you have been been first-hand targets of religious intolerance. I might agree that there's a point where sensitivity becomes over sensitivity, but it's easy to say, "It's just tradition, get over it," when you've never had a religious slur thrown your way. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	We traditionally did things like discriminate and that doesn't make it ok. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	Sign is gone now! __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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12-05-2008, 11:28 AM	#20
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I do there there is value in the tradition argument, and even when of religious origin, a traditional thing carries some secular value. I think that argument, however, was shredded when their were lawsuits charging that the traditional thing was not sufficiently religious and therefore more overt religious symbolism should be allowed (attempts to require calling it a Christmas tree rather than holiday tree and then to add a nativity scene).
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