Tis the season...deja vu anyone? - Page 7

Betty · 12-05-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

*Settles in on the couch with a bucket of popcorn*

"I gotta see this..."

Scoot over. Make room for me.

So far I'm giving this thread a 7/10 but I think it could get better.

I really do enjoy an great discussion/debate by intelligent individuals. Don't stop now!

Prudence · 12-05-2008, 05:07 PM

My comment was more polite than you deserved. Out of respect for Wendybeth, that is as far as I shall go.

Sir Dillon · 12-05-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

All that has been contested is whether, from a civility perspective the sign posted sends a positive or negative message.

Which goes to the very heart of the issue/subject identified.

It's all a matter of interpretation first...all else follow.

As Goulish indicated...it's an "ugly" display of "hate" speech directed at religious believers.

I have plainly stated my argument in the OP and subsequent responses...I invite you to argue from there (either the OP and/or those responses).

Sincerely,

S.D.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-05-2008, 05:11 PM

I know I said I'd step away but...if you ever credit me with anything Moonliner said again, I'll ban you so fast....

Sir Dillon · 12-05-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

My comment was more polite than you deserved. Out of respect for Wendybeth, that is as far as I shall go.

Wow...

Your first response to me is to criticize me (i.e. attacking the messenger rather than the message); and when I carify my position in response to this criticism...you attack me, personally, yet again.

Hmmmm........

S.D.

Sir Dillon · 12-05-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I know I said I'd step away but...if you ever credit me with anything Moonliner said again, I'll ban you so fast....

My sincerest apologies...I stand corrected!

S.D.

alphabassettgrrl · 12-05-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

The sign was made to piss people off and grab a few headlines. That's it.

I would be a much better statement if, like I said previously, it had a some charm and personality, some colorful lights perhaps or a fluffy bunny.

Ooh, a bunny!

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

It says, "Religion is a myth that makes people worse."
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And personally, it's religion's focus on "you're a bad person" messages that I find most distasteful, so I don't particularly love the same being used to supposedly argue a a point against them.

Yeah, I wish they had done it more... tastefully, tactfully, not quite sure what I want, but a blunt "religion is stupid" probably won't win points with anybody. I'm no fan of organized religion, but this is maybe a bit much.

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Originally Posted by Sir Dillon

The Governor of Washington State was merely allowing equal access to the Capitol to the atheist display as it did the religious display.

There is NO government funding involved.

OK so no gov't funding; that helps. It's still public property, though, so I still have some issues with religious anything there.

I'm hoping for some elegance, or such in future displays. There are ways to promote human reason and rationality without being crude and nasty.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-05-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

OK so no gov't funding; that helps. It's still public property, though, so I still have some issues with religious anything there.

I don't. If it's public space provided for public use, the public is free to do as the public pleases. As long as it's not my tax dollars paying to put up a manger, I'm fine with it.

Sir Dillon · 12-05-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

Yeah, I wish they had done it more... tastefully, tactfully, not quite sure what I want, but a blunt "religion is stupid" probably won't win points with anybody.

Yet again, another subjective interpretation.

Sorry...but the word "stupid" is not stated or implied (directly or indirectly) in the display's statement.

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OK so no gov't funding; that helps. It's still public property, though, so I still have some issues with religious anything there.

Agreed in the sense that I would rather have nothing private on public property; nevertheless, goulish is right. Public is public and as I have argued, it's the right of both sides to display something on public property.

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I'm hoping for some elegance, or such in future displays. There are ways to promote human reason and rationality without being crude and nasty.

Again...making genralized statements stating there are no gods, devils, etc. is NOT "crude and nasty" (a subjective interpretation)

S.D.

LSPoorEeyorick · 12-05-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Dillon

Wow...

Your first response to me is to criticize me (i.e. attacking the messenger rather than the message); and when I carify my position in response to this criticism...you attack me, personally, yet again.

Hmmmm........

S.D.

Oh, don't act so shocked, sir. You came out swinging with great sweeping statements that seem to generalize all people who are religious. Yes, many people use religion as a weapon. And many others have not. Just like some atheists are respectful and some are not.

So don't be surprised, when you say snide things, when you receive statements in kind.

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