The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[flippyshark]

Several dozen pages ago, there seemed to be a fairly broad consensus that "but look what YOUR party did" is a tiresome and pointless game. I'd love it if y'all could get back to debating and defending actual policy. I'll check back later.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

How absolutely hysterical that you equate the lyrics in the above with the lyrics from what was sang. Also, I don't give a rats ass if children want to gather at the white house lawn and do whatever the hell they want. The video of discussion here was done in...um....school. Public school. Draw whatever equivalencies you want to try to.

Right... Because it was about a Republican president, it was ok.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by flippyshark

Several dozen pages ago, there seemed to be a fairly broad consensus that "but look what YOUR party did" is a tiresome and pointless game. I'd love it if y'all could get back to debating and defending actual policy. I'll check back later.

(I posted it just to see Leo sputter. It worked. )

[JWBear]

Business community at odds with GOP over health care

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

The past eight years have been the ruin of our country, with some of the very worst behavior by our elected officials and business leaders in probably a century, and you're all up in arms about a stupid school sing-a-long. Do you get as upset when all the kids stand up, place one hand over their hearts, and recite the pledge allegience to our flag?

What???? No, no, no! I'm not letting you get away with that! You NEVER let me get away with pointing at anything, no matter how related, that happened in the past with different administrations hen people would rag on Bush (and as a reminder, I agreed with some of the ragging). And the absolutely hysterical thing is that this has NOTHING to do with Obama. It has to do with a stupid teacher and administration at the school in question. Talk about manufactured outrage. You don't talk about the point of the criticism, you talk about how people don't like Obama. Please tell me where I criticized Obama in any post about that song at that school.

I have not even bgeun to criticize Obama.

Kids are allowed to opt out of the pledge.

Yes. My kids go to private school, but isn't that kind of like me suggesting to you that you don't live in poverty so why are you concerned about those that do?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

(I posted it just to see Leo sputter. It worked. )

Hmmm..isn't that admitting to being a troll?

[Alex]

I said this before the details of the video were known:

Originally Posted by Alex

I haven't either. And I'll be happy to say up front that if it turns out to actually be a school music class at a public school that I'll agree with you it is almost certainly* inappropriate.

Now that the details are pretty much known I am of the opinion that it wasn't really appropriate. Is it the most inappropriate thing ever done on school grounds? Not at all. Should heads roll? Not at all.

Was it inappropriate? Yes. Should it not be done again? Yes.

Can you find hypocrisy in people being upset now that weren't when roughly correlating things happened in the past to people of the opposite party? Yes. Can you find hypocrisy in people not being upset now that were (or would have been had they known of it) when roughly correlating things happened in the past to people of the opposite? Does that type of hypocrisy pretty much define political discourse for most people? I'd say the long history of this thread says yes. Everybody thinks their farts smell like flowers, as I say frequently.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Alex

Everybody thinks their farts smell like flowers, as I say frequently.

Interesting conversational gambit.

But if you listen closely, you can hear the children singing:

"Bush sent soldiers to their tomb.
Obama farts, and flowers bloom.
Kill the white man.
Kill the white man."

[Alex]

Oh, I thought they were being indoctrinated. But so long as they were simply singing the truth...

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

What???? No, no, no! I'm not letting you get away with that! You NEVER let me get away with pointing at anything, no matter how related, that happened in the past with different administrations hen people would rag on Bush (and as a reminder, I agreed with some of the ragging). And the absolutely hysterical thing is that this has NOTHING to do with Obama. It has to do with a stupid teacher and administration at the school in question. Talk about manufactured outrage. You don't talk about the point of the criticism, you talk about how people don't like Obama. Please tell me where I criticized Obama in any post about that song at that school.

I have not even bgeun to criticize Obama.

Kids are allowed to opt out of the pledge.

Yes. My kids go to private school, but isn't that kind of like me suggesting to you that you don't live in poverty so why are you concerned about those that do?

Oh, excuse me- my bad. I sincerely thought all this outrage had to do with Obama's Master Plan to indoctrinate the children into the cult of liberalism. I read about how angry you are, wonder at the intensity of the anger, then after a few clicks on the comp I find out that Rush and Drudge and Hannity, blah, blah, blah, are just as darned mad as you, and in fact much of what they are saying matches up with your statements. Maybe I'm not as angry because I don't listen to that crap- I'm a bit irritated by the poor choices a school made, but it largely because it gave fodder to the agitators who want so desperatly to make Obama out to be evil personified. Again, with all the truly horrible things happening in our country (and the world), why waste so much time on this? It shows me that there is little else to fixate on as far as tabloid mud slinging, which assures me (thus far) that we have a pretty damned decent man in office. I'm glad you care about the public schools, but I guess I just didn't realize how very much you do.