Lost!

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Odds are the figure that Locke saw in the rocking chair was not Smokey because at that point the cabin was surrounded by ash, which thus far has shown no other purpose than fending off Smokey (though perhaps different ash fends off different beings). Whether that means it was actually Jacob or not is unresolvable. Though, even with just a shadowy profile, he certainly didn't look anything like Jacob as we know him now.

Good point.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

And of course this being Lost, and considering the slight of hand they pulled by introducing the MIB out of nowhere, maybe it'll turn out that Jack is not actually Jack, but a manifestation of some Woman in Gray who we've never been introduced to before or something.

MIB = Smoky. So I look at it as Oh look, smoky is a security system for the island and takes human form for a double doubleyou tee efff situation. Is human form smoky blocked by the sonic alarm system?

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Unknown. The implication at the time was that the shadowy figure in the rocking chair was actually Jacob. By the time Christian and Claire showed up at the Cabin, they were strongly implicating that Jacob definitely no longer was there, but left open the question of whether the first figure we saw was Jacob, or if Jacob had ever been there.

The ash circle around the cabin was broken. Maybe he was smoky in human form and since the ring was broken he escaped. We don't know when the ash ring was broken - it could have been before 815 crashed. Though that doesn't explain how Ben was able to call/control smoky in Dharmaville to kill Kermey.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Dogen, Illana, and Richard all seem to think the Temple is the safest place for the Losties......and they claim to be followers of Jacob......why does Jacob himself believe otherwise?

Oh, was just reminded of this scanning through Lostpedia. Jacob's last words after Ben stabbed him. "They're coming", and pseudoLocke seemed surprised by him saying that.

So perhaps the temple IS the safest place to protect one's self...from MIB/Smokey, but not from whomever "They" are.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

MIB = Smoky. So I look at it as Oh look, smoky is a security system for the island and takes human form for a double doubleyou tee efff situation. Is human form smoky blocked by the sonic alarm system?

I'm not satisfied by that. Smokey was never presented as a personality, more as a tool. Sure smokey seemed to have some sort of intelligence, but what we saw was very very limited. To suddenly expand that into, "Oh, actually, Somkey is a form taken by a being that's essentially on par with Jacob, previously presented as the most powerful individual in the story," was to introduce a HUGE source of power and intelligence way late in the game. A bit of a cheat IMO in that it made it entirely impossible to have been making any accurate guesses about who was running the show when.

The ash circle around the cabin was broken. Maybe he was smoky in human form and since the ring was broken he escaped. We don't know when the ash ring was broken - it could have been before 815 crashed. Though that doesn't explain how Ben was able to call/control smoky in Dharmaville to kill Kermey.

I was going to suggest that the ash circle was meant to keep Smokey IN, but Smokey was out and about the whole time they were on the island, and the ash circle wasn't broken when Locke and Ben visited. So that seems unlikely (or sloppily handled by the writers).

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Oh, was just reminded of this scanning through Lostpedia. Jacob's last words after Ben stabbed him. "They're coming", and pseudoLocke seemed surprised by him saying that.

So perhaps the temple IS the safest place to protect one's self...from MIB/Smokey, but not from whomever "They" are.

Oooh...I like it

[scaeagles]

Perhaps that is who Jacob neeed to help find the island at the lighthouse....if he really needed to. There are theories of course that this was all about Jack, not anything to do with bringing anyone to the island.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Perhaps that is who Jacob neeed to help find the island at the lighthouse....if he really needed to. There are theories of course that this was all about Jack, not anything to do with bringing anyone to the island.

That's what I mostly figured, although when Hurley is concerned about the someone not finding the island now that the lighthouse is busted, Jacob says something to indicate that someone is still tying to find the island, but that may have just been to placate Hurley.

[mousepod]

And the number he told Hurley to turn to is 108.

Who is 108?

[Frikitiki]

the name that showed at 108 was Wallace, but no one seems to know who Wallace is.

[Ghoulish Delight]

The name that was on there (Wallace) is one that's never been mentioned in the show. 108 is the sum total of The Numbers (same as the # of seconds between Desmond's button pushings). Since the whole exercise of getting Jack and Hurely to the lighthouse was a bit of a wild goose chase just to shake Jack up, it's entirely possible that Jacob chose 108 just because he had to pick some # to get them to move the mirrors, not necessarily because "Wallace" is anyone special (or, anymore special than any of the other candidates).