The Gay Thread - Page 89

innerSpaceman · 12-07-2010, 08:16 AM

Video of December 6th's Hearing before the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal of the Prop 8 case, in two handy segments (the first on whether anyone even has standing to pursue an appeal, and the 2nd on the actual merits of the appeal).

The case will likely go to an "en banc" panel of the Ninth Circuit (meaning a much larger panel than the 3 judges here), and then onto the Supreme Court.

As I read the law (and it seems pretty obvious to me), no one has standing to appeal. But I believe this court will ignore that, and take up this hot button political issue so that it can eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

I had wanted that to happen, but I'd rather the law be followed. And in truth, I'm afraid to let the current composition of the Supreme Court get their filthy tyrannical paws on this issue. If the appeal does not go forward because of the standing issue, California will have equal marriage rights. That's really a hollow victory without federal and IRS recognition - but I think that's the best outcome possible at this time.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-17-2010, 02:44 PM

DADT repeal's last chance - and it's shaping up to be a good chance.

SzczerbiakManiac · 12-17-2010, 04:36 PM

not holding my breath :-|

Alex · 12-17-2010, 04:37 PM

Kind of looks like you are.

innerSpaceman · 12-17-2010, 05:14 PM

It's tough if you've been following it through the last couple of years. Such back and forth, hopes - then dashed. I don't even give much of a damn about this particular gay rights issue, but the rollercoaster has been nerve-wracking nonetheless. And I'm sure many, like me, are just "wake me when it's over" tired of getting our hopes up.

alphabassettgrrl · 12-17-2010, 09:33 PM

I can't not hope.

Cadaverous Pallor · 12-18-2010, 11:33 AM

Ghoulish Delight · 12-18-2010, 01:33 PM

All that's left is the President's signature! And then all the stupidity of implementation.

innerSpaceman · 12-18-2010, 02:13 PM

The "certification" process will likely take another year.

But this is a happy day nonetheless. And once again, I place the credit for justice squarely with the courts of law. If a federal judge had not ruled DADT unconstitutional with an outright ban breathing down the stiff necks of congress, I don't think this vote for repeal authorization would ever have happened.

But whichever way it came about, and however pesky long it takes to implement, the good is done. And discharges formally stop immediately. It's possible that open enlistment may be instituted early in the year. So for all intents and purposes, really, DADT is history.

Sigh, now for ENDA, DOMA and Marriage Equality. The tougher stuff. The battle to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, which had vast majority support in the nation, does not give me hope the fight for the more important items will be anything less than brutal.

Here's hoping for a bit of domino effect.

SzczerbiakManiac · 12-18-2010, 03:52 PM

still not holding my breath
it's not over till it's over

12-07-2010, 08:16 AM	#881
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Video of December 6th's Hearing before the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal of the Prop 8 case, in two handy segments (the first on whether anyone even has standing to pursue an appeal, and the 2nd on the actual merits of the appeal). The case will likely go to an "en banc" panel of the Ninth Circuit (meaning a much larger panel than the 3 judges here), and then onto the Supreme Court. As I read the law (and it seems pretty obvious to me), no one has standing to appeal. But I believe this court will ignore that, and take up this hot button political issue so that it can eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court. I had wanted that to happen, but I'd rather the law be followed. And in truth, I'm afraid to let the current composition of the Supreme Court get their filthy tyrannical paws on this issue. If the appeal does not go forward because of the standing issue, California will have equal marriage rights. That's really a hollow victory without federal and IRS recognition - but I think that's the best outcome possible at this time.
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12-17-2010, 02:44 PM	#882
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	DADT repeal's last chance - and it's shaping up to be a good chance. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-17-2010, 04:36 PM	#883
SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	not holding my breath :-\| __________________
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12-17-2010, 04:37 PM	#884
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12-17-2010, 05:14 PM	#885
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	It's tough if you've been following it through the last couple of years. Such back and forth, hopes - then dashed. I don't even give much of a damn about this particular gay rights issue, but the rollercoaster has been nerve-wracking nonetheless. And I'm sure many, like me, are just "wake me when it's over" tired of getting our hopes up.
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12-17-2010, 09:33 PM	#886
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12-18-2010, 01:33 PM	#888
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	All that's left is the President's signature! And then all the stupidity of implementation. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-18-2010, 02:13 PM	#889
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	The "certification" process will likely take another year. But this is a happy day nonetheless. And once again, I place the credit for justice squarely with the courts of law. If a federal judge had not ruled DADT unconstitutional with an outright ban breathing down the stiff necks of congress, I don't think this vote for repeal authorization would ever have happened. But whichever way it came about, and however pesky long it takes to implement, the good is done. And discharges formally stop immediately. It's possible that open enlistment may be instituted early in the year. So for all intents and purposes, really, DADT is history. Sigh, now for ENDA, DOMA and Marriage Equality. The tougher stuff. The battle to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, which had vast majority support in the nation, does not give me hope the fight for the more important items will be anything less than brutal. Here's hoping for a bit of domino effect.
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12-18-2010, 03:52 PM	#890
SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	still not holding my breath it's not over till it's over __________________
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