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I beleive it has already been ruled that no one must recite the pledge, and for that very reason. Some Johovah's Witnesses refused to pledge allegiance to anything but God, and it was ruled that they were not required to say the pledge.
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Still doesn't change the fact that it's legislation concerning religion. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
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Leo, basically your argument would clear the way for a bill that said, "Jesus is the savior of our country. You don't have to believe it, you don't have to say it, but this bill makes it so."
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My question regarding the discpline of students who continue to say it was sarcastic, not serious. I have no doubt it will become an issue somewhere if the words are removed.
There is a movement - not mainstream whatsoever, not even on the left, but way, way out left - to have all references to religion and God removed. There was a suit filed here in Phoenix not so long ago by a man who didn't like churches advertizing with - i guess I'd call the sandwich board things - little standing pyramid ads - on the side of the road on Sundays. He was driving on public streets, built with public money, and the ads were on public property, the sidewalks nearby built with public funds, as was the landscaping the signs were on. Violated the separation of church and state. He shouldn't have to view those ads on public property. Thankfully, it was ridiculed and thrown out. I could see thought moving in that direction someday. |
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That's well beyond slippery slope. There is a distinction between personal religious freedom in public arenas vs. religious messages originating from the government. If anything, we've drifted to where the latter is being accepted and passed off as innocuous "cultural tradition". Government funded Christmas displays have been protected by the Supreme Court, claiming them as secular (and lumping Jewish symbols in with it). The pledge is another prime example.
This isn't an attempt to move towards extreme secularism, this is an attempt to move away from improperly defined religious messages.
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This guy strikes me as one of those. He's pushing his religious agenda (that of wiping out religion) on everyone else in the country. By forcing us to remove "under God" (which doesn't say WHICH god, and therefore is not pushing any particular religion), what he's really doing is forcing the government to comply with his own religion - that of not believing in/acknowledging God. ![]()
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