Clinton Speaks about Bush-

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

How does Halliburton get a contract for repairing a disaster before it even happens? And if they have an exclusive 'Contractor for the USA' contract, that's news to the rest of us.

You don't have to prove your faith to me, but you don't get to act like your on a mission from God, either. Bush thinks he is the Annointed One, and has ever since 9/11. I merely observe that oftentimes, people of a quieter faith show by deed, not by verbosity.

Supreme arrogance is being absolutely certain that your way is the only way.

Oh, and Scaeagles- the Salvation Army, while a great organization, has a bit of a rep in the anti- gay dept. Most of them do. We had a 'church' up here for decades that was pro- Aryan; think they would just give to anyone?

Halliburton gets contract to repair damage from Hurricane Katrina

(HalliburtonWatch.org) 02 Sep 2005 The US Navy asked Halliburton to repair naval facilities damaged by Hurricane Katrina, the Houston Chronicle reported today. The work was assigned to Halliburton's KBR subsidiary under the Navy's $500 million CONCAP contract awarded to KBR in 2001 and renewed in 2004. The repairs will take place in Louisiana and Mississippi. In March, the former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which is tasked with responding to hurricane disasters, became a lobbyist for KBR.

Even comes from a super leftist site Link

But I would think it is clear that 2004 was before 2005, when the hurricane hit and Haliburton got the contract. Or maybe you are not clear about how few companies do the work that Haliburton can and does?

Mocking me doesn't change anything-nor does it make you right.

So, someone who stands by their faith and says their faith is right, and others wrong, is supremely arrogant? So, they lose respect because they believe something that strongly- what? Would they be acceptable to you if they suffered doubt, questioned themselves and constantly had to adjust what they believed because they might be wrong?

Yeah- got it.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Even comes from a super leftist site Link

But I would think it is clear that 2004 was before 2005, when the hurricane hit and Haliburton got the contract. Or maybe you are not clear about how few companies do the work that Haliburton can and does?

Mocking me doesn't change anything-nor does it make you right.

So, someone who stands by their faith and says their faith is right, and others wrong, is supremely arrogant? So, they lose respect because they believe something that strongly- what? Would they be acceptable to you if they suffered doubt, questioned themselves and constantly had to adjust what they believed because they might be wrong?

Yeah- got it.

First off- show me where I was mocking you. Don't accuse me of doing something I wasn't doing- I asked a largely rhetorical question as to how the hell Halliburton got a permanent no-bid contract, and you answered it. From the Bush Administration. Years ago, which dosen't make me feel any better about it.

As to the faith thing- I have the utmost respect for Billy Graham, Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa and individuals like them. They didn't run around talking about how Christian they were- they were and are, in their actions and in their daily lives. Anyone can talk about being something, but I am far more impressed by those that actually live it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

So, someone who stands by their faith and says their faith is right, and others wrong, is supremely arrogant? So, they lose respect because they believe something that strongly- what? Would they be acceptable to you if they suffered doubt, questioned themselves and constantly had to adjust what they believed because they might be wrong?

I loose respect when they attempt to force that faith on others.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

As to the faith thing- I have the utmost respect for Billy Graham, Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa and individuals like them. They didn't run around talking about how Christian they were- they were and are, in their actions and in their daily lives. Anyone can talk about being something, but I am far more impressed by those that actually live it.

Does Bush really go around talking about how Christian he is? I just have never seen him do this(and I watch the 700 club )

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I loose respect when they attempt to force that faith on others.

Is being confident in your faith the same as forcing it on others? I find that being confident in your faith and sharing it is no different than, say, a product testimonial or talking about a life changing event to someone else.

Ex-smokers can be this way. Often times they are so proud of themselves, so happy about the change they've made, that they want to tell everyone and can become antismoking zealots.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Is being confident in your faith the same as forcing it on others? I find that being confident in your faith and sharing it is no different than, say, a product testimonial or talking about a life changing event to someone else.

Ex-smokers can be this way. Often times they are so proud of themselves, so happy about the change they've made, that they want to tell everyone and can become antismoking zealots.

Maybe it's a matter of personal likes and dislikes. I am an ex-smoker, and I do not go around telling anyone they should quit. If they want to know how I did it and they ask me, I will gladly tell them, but I don't force my views on them without being invited.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Well, WB, we are certainly not going to come anything close to agreement. So, I suppose it is time to remove the proverbial brick wall so that both of our foreheads are saved the pain.

Hey! I missed this one. You're right, we are not going to agree and there's no point in continuing. (At least I said you were right on this matter!)

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I said you were right on this matter

I'm thinking of adding this to my signature line.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

First off- show me where I was mocking you. Don't accuse me of doing something I wasn't doing- I asked a largely rhetorical question as to how the hell Halliburton got a permanent no-bid contract, and you answered it. From the Bush Administration. Years ago, which dosen't make me feel any better about it.

As to the faith thing- I have the utmost respect for Billy Graham, Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa and individuals like them. They didn't run around talking about how Christian they were- they were and are, in their actions and in their daily lives. Anyone can talk about being something, but I am far more impressed by those that actually live it.

I am not accusing you of something you did not do- though perhaps the mocking and sarcastic tone to -

How does Halliburton get a contract for repairing a disaster before it even happens? And if they have an exclusive 'Contractor for the USA' contract, that's news to the rest of us.

was unintentional-


Nor did it sound rhetorical- so I answered it.

[innerSpaceman]

Not all sarcasm is mocking of a particular person. Often it's mocking of the subject matter of the sarcasm. Let's not go getting personal here when there's no need to.