Anger is a gift (Happy 3rd Anniversary!) - Page 8

mousepod · 03-23-2006, 09:51 AM

Just for fun, let's put Nina Totenberg's quote in context, shall we?

Jesse Helms shot first:

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Sen. Jesse Helms says the government should spend less money on people with AIDS because they got sick as a result of "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct," The New York Times reported Wednesday.

Helms, who has often spoken of his disgust for homosexuals, spoke to the Times as the Senate considers whether to renew a federal program for the care and treatment of AIDS patients.

"We've got to have some common sense about a disease transmitted by people deliberately engaging in unnatural acts," Helms told the Times.

Then Nina Totenberg commented:

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"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion or one of his grandchildren will get it." (Inside Washington, ABC-TV, 7/8/95)

Anger? Sure. Hate? Well... certainly from Helms...

Gemini Cricket · 03-23-2006, 10:41 AM

I don't agree with hate speech coming from anyone. However, there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to the right wing. Bill Maher loses his 'Politically Incorrect' job because of his comments and Ann Coulter is still making thousands of dollars for her speeches despite saying that a Supreme Court Justice should be poisoned. That makes no sense. Michael Moore is booed for his comments and slammed by the right, but Michael Savage can say whatever he likes and the right is pretty quiet about his comments.

I mean, how does O'Reilly keep his job after saying the Coit Tower in San Francisco should be attacked?

Double standard.

innerSpaceman · 03-23-2006, 11:22 AM

I see where Sac Town is coming from about anger morphing into apathy, and the soul rot that attends.

But anger is too destructive to ourselves. I just can't keep it up. (anger, that is). Was George Bush ever affected one iota by my anger? Or was it only me?

I'm pretty apathetic about things now. This administration may take the cake in many regards, but power has been a corrupt force always and everywhere. I still feel the way I feel about things. I still know evil when I see it and smell it. It's not required that I get riled up, it's not required that I go and "do something" about it. There's nothing I have to prove or demonstrate or accomplish in order for my soul to be pure and good. It just is.

Relax, SacTown, my brother - - you're a good soul. Nothing's gonna stop that. No warrantless NSA search can penetrate. Your soul is safe, and anger will only give you ulcers.

scaeagles · 03-23-2006, 11:24 AM

Double standard on both sides. It goes back to what I said earlier, that "hate speech" is defined by the listener depending on the ideological agreement with the speaker of said "hate speech".

The things I posted are no different than what MBC posted. They are about wishing harm or death upon someone. Not a good thing. O'Reilly is a full of himself, self rghteous, and oft inconsistent moron. I have never heard Savage.

Nephythys · 03-23-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

So this means you're withdrawing your original criticism of this thread?

I was not being critical- just commenting.

But no- my opinion still stands.

Nephythys · 03-23-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I'm sure the left does it too, they ust don't seem to get as much press for it ....ie: it isn't as effective.

I would disagree (big surprise) because I think that is one of the reasons that the left keeps losing elections.

Not Afraid · 03-23-2006, 02:41 PM

Don't worry. The right is catching up pretty quickly.

Gemini Cricket · 03-23-2006, 04:48 PM

What I'm trying to do with my anger with this administration is not let it get to me. And I also think it's important to direct my anger to this administration by writing as many letters as I can and calling as many politicians as I can. I can't tell you how many calls I made to Feinstein and Boxer before I left (now Kerry and Kennedy). Not to mention my local reps etc. It's important that they know my disgust. They are working for us after all...

Nephythys · 03-23-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

They are working for us after all...

I don't think they know it.

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-23-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

I would disagree (big surprise) because I think that is one of the reasons that the left keeps losing elections.

I think that the main reason that the Democrats have been losing is because they are spineless. Not "spineless" in the weak on terror, national security, sort of way but rather, they don't seem to be willing to stand up to the Republicans and call them on their BS. I mean, really. The Pubs ran on a platform of "keeping America safe", and yet have done absolutely zilch to protect our borders or prepare for any sort of catastrophe. So, have the democrats called them on this? Nope, not really.

Quite honestly, I think the only Democrat there is that I have any respect for right now is (and I'm sure scaeagles will get a laugh out of this) Russ Feingold. Not just because of the censure thing either, although I agree with it wholeheartedly, but because I think he has integrity. I don't agree with everything he says but that is not as important to me as someone who actually stands for something.

Basically, I'd like to see roughly 99% of them voted out.

03-23-2006, 10:41 AM	#72
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I don't agree with hate speech coming from anyone. However, there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to the right wing. Bill Maher loses his 'Politically Incorrect' job because of his comments and Ann Coulter is still making thousands of dollars for her speeches despite saying that a Supreme Court Justice should be poisoned. That makes no sense. Michael Moore is booed for his comments and slammed by the right, but Michael Savage can say whatever he likes and the right is pretty quiet about his comments. I mean, how does O'Reilly keep his job after saying the Coit Tower in San Francisco should be attacked? Double standard.
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03-23-2006, 11:22 AM	#73
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I see where Sac Town is coming from about anger morphing into apathy, and the soul rot that attends. But anger is too destructive to ourselves. I just can't keep it up. (anger, that is). Was George Bush ever affected one iota by my anger? Or was it only me? I'm pretty apathetic about things now. This administration may take the cake in many regards, but power has been a corrupt force always and everywhere. I still feel the way I feel about things. I still know evil when I see it and smell it. It's not required that I get riled up, it's not required that I go and "do something" about it. There's nothing I have to prove or demonstrate or accomplish in order for my soul to be pure and good. It just is. Relax, SacTown, my brother - - you're a good soul. Nothing's gonna stop that. No warrantless NSA search can penetrate. Your soul is safe, and anger will only give you ulcers.
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03-23-2006, 11:24 AM	#74
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Double standard on both sides. It goes back to what I said earlier, that "hate speech" is defined by the listener depending on the ideological agreement with the speaker of said "hate speech". The things I posted are no different than what MBC posted. They are about wishing harm or death upon someone. Not a good thing. O'Reilly is a full of himself, self rghteous, and oft inconsistent moron. I have never heard Savage.
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03-23-2006, 02:41 PM	#77
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Don't worry. The right is catching up pretty quickly.
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03-23-2006, 04:48 PM	#78
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	What I'm trying to do with my anger with this administration is not let it get to me. And I also think it's important to direct my anger to this administration by writing as many letters as I can and calling as many politicians as I can. I can't tell you how many calls I made to Feinstein and Boxer before I left (now Kerry and Kennedy). Not to mention my local reps etc. It's important that they know my disgust. They are working for us after all...
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