Get It Off Your (Dead Man's) Chest: Pirates Movie Reviews - Page 15

BarTopDancer · 07-14-2006, 07:13 PM

They explained the morphing as becomming one with the sea. I do wish they had gotten a bit more into how they became one with the sea. Hammerhead dude could breathe on land, and so could Davey, so is it just their outsides that turn into the sea creatures or do their insides slowly become unhuman as well.

Alex · 07-15-2006, 12:53 AM

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It's not a matter of what they demonstrated, or that they didn't stop to explain it. They did stop to explain it, but the explanation makes no frelling sense.

I just don't see the problem here. I also don't see why you have no problem with Superman having infinite strength (which creates infinite tensile strength in the object lifted), and in fact dismiss such complaints as meaningless nitpicking but find this to be some major gaping flaw.

innerSpaceman · 07-15-2006, 08:23 AM

Superman IS a cartoon. He is a COMIC BOOK character.

Granted, with the sequel, the Pirates of this fuctup Caribbean are being presented in a completey comic book and cartoon manner, in which I have no trouble accepting the likes of HammerheadMan and ShellBoy.

The original was not, imo, presented in those terms. I takes the movie worlds as they are given to me - - admittedly as I interpret them.

I certainly didn't have to wait to sense the tone in Superman. The title warned me of the comic book nature of the film I was about to see.

Alex · 07-15-2006, 09:53 AM

I see. Being based on a comic book means it is ok for things to make no actual sense. Being based on a theme park ride creates an expectation of physical veracity.

I can't say it works that way for me. But then I still don't see any conflict between the way the curse is described and the way the curse works. So we're just coming from completely different places I guess. Have you worked yourself back into hating the first one yet?

innerSpaceman · 07-16-2006, 12:40 AM

I still love the first one. And it was no more based on a theme park ride than Schinder's List was.

Jail Keys Dog reference and some pirates do not make the movie based on the Walt Disney attraction. It may have been "inspired by," but I think the only thing they were truly inspired by vis-a-vis the attraction was cashing in on the name recognition.

Nevertheless, basing a movie on the most realistic theme park ride ever created does not telegraph to me as a moviegoer that no rules of physics or logic will be followed.

Kevy Baby · 07-16-2006, 09:19 AM

Is it just me, or is there WAY too much analysis being made of this movie?

It was (IMO) meant to be a fun Summer movie. It is not meant to be Shindlers List. It is just a light escapist movie fer cryin out loud. Yeah, we can find some reaity flaws (I'm guilty of it), but it just pure silly fun. To have expected anything else is just foolish.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-16-2006, 10:41 AM

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It was (IMO) meant to be a fun Summer movie. It is not meant to be Shindlers List. It is just a light escapist movie fer cryin out loud. Yeah, we can find some reaity flaws (I'm guilty of it), but it just pure silly fun. To have expected anything else is just foolish.

The problem is, the first movie was more than that. It had a brain and...well...subtlety is not quite the word. How about craftsmanship. Yeah, craftsmanship. So we KNOW the people who made this film have that ability. For some reason, they decided to not use that ability, and that's disappointing.

Not Afraid · 07-16-2006, 10:50 AM

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Is it just me, or is there WAY too much analysis being made of this movie?

It was (IMO) meant to be a fun Summer movie. It is not meant to be Shindlers List. It is just a light escapist movie fer cryin out loud. Yeah, we can find some reaity flaws (I'm guilty of it), but it just pure silly fun. To have expected anything else is just foolish.

Well, you can have a film of pure silly fun and it can STILL be a great movie. My beef with it was that, while it eas somewhat entertaining for 2 1/2 hours, I really don'e want to see it again.

It's frustrating when you have a vehicle that is proven to work well and you screw it up. There was so much potential for this film and it didn't come close to what it could've been.

innerSpaceman · 07-16-2006, 11:03 AM

Yep, people are telling me I might enjoy it much better on a second viewing. But that's gonna have to wait for the DVD on Netflix, because I have zero desire to see this movie again right now.

Alex · 07-16-2006, 12:41 PM

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It's frustrating when you have a vehicle that is proven to work well and you screw it up. There was so much potential for this film and it didn't come close to what it could've been.

Maybe that helped me not be disappointed. I did not have high hopes for this movie. In all the history of sequels (to quality movies) there are only a handful that are of approximately the same quality as the first film and only two* that (in my opinion, of course) really surpasses the first - The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens.

So my assumption is that a sequel will be worse than the original. I don't think that Dead Man's Chest is as good as Curse of the Black Pearl but then I wasn't expecting it to be and perhaps as a result this means I am happy with as well as it turned out.

*I also consider Babe: Pig in the City to be vastly superior to the first one but most people look at me like I've a third head when I say that so I keep it my little secret.

07-14-2006, 07:13 PM	#141
BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	They explained the morphing as becomming one with the sea. I do wish they had gotten a bit more into how they became one with the sea. Hammerhead dude could breathe on land, and so could Davey, so is it just their outsides that turn into the sea creatures or do their insides slowly become unhuman as well. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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07-15-2006, 08:23 AM	#143
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Superman IS a cartoon. He is a COMIC BOOK character. Granted, with the sequel, the Pirates of this fuctup Caribbean are being presented in a completey comic book and cartoon manner, in which I have no trouble accepting the likes of HammerheadMan and ShellBoy. The original was not, imo, presented in those terms. I takes the movie worlds as they are given to me - - admittedly as I interpret them. I certainly didn't have to wait to sense the tone in Superman. The title warned me of the comic book nature of the film I was about to see.
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07-15-2006, 09:53 AM	#144
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I see. Being based on a comic book means it is ok for things to make no actual sense. Being based on a theme park ride creates an expectation of physical veracity. I can't say it works that way for me. But then I still don't see any conflict between the way the curse is described and the way the curse works. So we're just coming from completely different places I guess. Have you worked yourself back into hating the first one yet?
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07-16-2006, 12:40 AM	#145
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I still love the first one. And it was no more based on a theme park ride than Schinder's List was. Jail Keys Dog reference and some pirates do not make the movie based on the Walt Disney attraction. It may have been "inspired by," but I think the only thing they were truly inspired by vis-a-vis the attraction was cashing in on the name recognition. Nevertheless, basing a movie on the most realistic theme park ride ever created does not telegraph to me as a moviegoer that no rules of physics or logic will be followed.
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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	Is it just me, or is there WAY too much analysis being made of this movie? It was (IMO) meant to be a fun Summer movie. It is not meant to be Shindlers List. It is just a light escapist movie fer cryin out loud. Yeah, we can find some reaity flaws (I'm guilty of it), but it just pure silly fun. To have expected anything else is just foolish. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yep, people are telling me I might enjoy it much better on a second viewing. But that's gonna have to wait for the DVD on Netflix, because I have zero desire to see this movie again right now.
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