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Old 01-20-2011, 06:34 PM   #21
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Just out of curiosity - what do you (or anyone wishing to reply) make of the fact that something is either a particle or a wave depending on whether it is observed by someone with consciousness?
If true, I'd think it nifty, but you're incorrect (at least according to the leading physicists who understand this stuff much better than me and are nice enough to try and explain the math in laymen's terms) about consciousness being the mechanism for waveform collapse. Mathematically it is not. However, for I'd think pretty obvious reasons, we can never know the outcome of that collapse without a consciousness being involved but that doesn't mean it created the created the collapse.

And if you want to go way down the quantum consciousness route you'll run into another refutation of free will in the form of the fact that while the exact result of a specific wavefunction collapse can not be predetermined it can be defined exactly probablistically. And then when you take that idea into the various described metaverses or multiverse you kill free will completely for if all possible outcomes actually exist then no choice can ever be made.
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