"Liberal Queer"

[Nephythys]

shall we define this phobia? Hatred of the BEHAVIOR or the PEOPLE??? For political and socieological purposes it is used to beat people over the head and accuse them of hating the people- not the behavior- therein lies my quibble with it. I do not have to accept and like everything someone does to like the person.

I suspect that where we lose each other is that I can see the difference, whereas being gay defines who you are- and so in your mind, someone disliking one seems to naturally lead to them disliking the other-

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I suspect that where we lose each other is that I can see the difference, whereas being gay defines who you are- and so in your mind, someone disliking one seems to naturally lead to them disliking the other-

I do appreciate your attempt to understand, but I disagree. Being gay is a part of who I am, not my defining characteristic.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I do appreciate your attempt to understand, but I disagree. Being gay is a part of who I am, not my defining characteristic.

I'm glad to hear that, I was grasping at straws trying to figure out why people are so sure that disapproval of the action equates to not loving the person.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Being gay is a part of who I am, not my defining characteristic.

So true. Sometimes I let it define me because people are so into labels. But heck, there's a lot more to me than just being a friend of Dorothy (or more recently the Wicked Witch of the West... Love that 'Wicked' Soundtrack...)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I do appreciate your attempt to understand, but I disagree. Being gay is a part of who I am, not my defining characteristic.

Which is why I said what I said above.

I KNOW there is such a thing as seperating the sin and the sinner. I do it to love my dad.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I KNOW there is such a thing as seperating the sin and the sinner. I do it to love my dad.

And how lucky is he? Very.

[Scrooge McSam]

How do you react when someone else tells you how to live your life?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

How do you react when someone else tells you how to live your life?

I guess that depends on the person and their motivation. I don't assume that they are all doing it for the same reasons-

[Scrooge McSam]

OK Some pious soul chooses to belittle you because you've had a divorce. They don't know your situation or your motivations. That have just their idea, narrowly defined according to the bible or their own beliefs, on when divorce is suitable and when it is not. They then proceed to define for you through legislation when it would be OK with them for you to get a divorce.

How likely are you to rebel against their narrow mindedness?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

OK Some pious soul chooses to belittle you because you've had a divorce. They don't know your situation or your motivations. That have just their idea, narrowly defined according to the bible or their own beliefs, on when divorce is suitable and when it is not. They then proceed to define for you through legislation when it would be OK with them for you to get a divorce.

How likely are you to rebel against their narrow mindedness?

Legislation keeps getting dragged into this when it had nothing to do with it- the discussion is about a father who has always disapproved of homosexuality, and has not changed his stance despite his daughter being gay. It was a debate about the quality of his love and the stance of his disapproval.

I am going to leave legislation out of this- this has nothing to do with government or laws-

I DID have someone tell me how to live my life after my divorce in regards to their view of the Biblical stance on divorce- they were wrong. I chose to not fight them, nor to follow their advice. Not everything comes with some malicious intent- sometimes you just have to stand by and say "thanks but no thanks"

I could not assume they hated me, and their disapproval did not matter to me because they knew nothing about it- nor did I think they were applying Biblical knowlegde to it appropriately.

My best friend married a horrible abusive cheating man- I told her many times how much I hated it- but I loved her. In a way I told her how to live her life, but it was out of concern and love for her-

I am also trying really really hard to not get ticked off about the comment- "it must not have been easy growing up in that enviornment " because I find that comment to be remarkably intolerant of those who choose to raise their children in a conservative Christian home. I am raising my kids that way- I find them to be very tolerant and accepting kids, who don't see color or sexuality when they look at people. They see the people- not the extra stuff that causes all this stress. So tell me, is the enviornment my children are growing in horrible???? Because it sure seems that is the assumption here-