"Liberal Queer"

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I am going to leave legislation out of this- this has nothing to do with government or laws-

I can appreciate how you would feel this way. Your way of life is not under attack. Mine is. Can you give me the same understanding?

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I DID have someone tell me how to live my life after my divorce in regards to their view of the Biblical stance on divorce- they were wrong.

Kinda like I feel about those pushing for a gay marriage amendment.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I chose to not fight them, nor to follow their advice.

That worked for you. That course of action does not work for me. If I (and others) just accept Keyes and his ilk and don't rail against what they're trying to do, we'll have a gay marriage amendment before long.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Not everything comes with some malicious intent- sometimes you just have to stand by and say "thanks but no thanks"

That only works if they have no power over you.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I could not assume they hated me, and their disapproval did not matter to me because they knew nothing about it- nor did I think they were applying Biblical knowlegde to it appropriately.

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[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I can appreciate how you would feel this way. Your way of life is not under attack. Mine is. Can you give me the same understanding? Kinda like I feel about those pushing for a gay marriage amendment.

My way of life is not under attack? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. There are many people who want to silence me and my beliefs too-

But I am trying to understand- though I still fail to see why this is being interjected into this conversation. I thought we were talking about hating the sin and loving the sinner- not gay marriage ammendments.

I don't mean to be trite- but given how strongly bans on gay marriage passed, then I would say there are alot of people you are labeling Keyes "ilk"-

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

But I am trying to understand- though I still fail to see why this is being interjected into this conversation. I thought we were talking about hating the sin and loving the sinner- not gay marriage ammendments.

Because "hate the sin, love the sinner" is one of the first points that always gets trotted out in these little discussions. And as I stated to Leo earlier, we wouldn't even be enjoying this thread so amiably were Keyes not so well known for his public pronouncements on gays in general, his gay daughter and the gay marriage amendment.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I don't mean to be trite- but given how strongly bans on gay marriage passed, then I would say there are alot of people you are labeling Keyes "ilk"-

I sense your taking the word "ilk" as a slur. It simply means "like" or "kind", as in "Mr Keyes and his like" or "Mr. Keyes and his kind".

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

I can appreciate how you would feel this way...

You make a lot of good points here, Mr. McSam.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I am also trying really really hard to not get ticked off about the comment- "it must not have been easy growing up in that enviornment " because I find that comment to be remarkably intolerant of those who choose to raise their children in a conservative Christian home.

That comment, as I read it, was not directed at all people who choose to raise their family with conservative Christian values. It was aimed specifically at this situation, with a father actively working towards legislation that would make it illegal for his daughter to be happy.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That comment, as I read it, was not directed at all people who choose to raise their family with conservative Christian values. It was aimed specifically at this situation, with a father actively working towards legislation that would make it illegal for his daughter to be happy.

Not to mention a father who characterizes gay people as nothing more than "selfish hedonists".

[Nephythys]

again- glad to hear it

(I did not think MBC would stalk me if I was a hate monger LOL)

[Nephythys]

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

Not a requirement, however if you were someone for whom marriage DOES lead to happiness, it sure would suck if you were legally prevented from doing it.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I was not aware that happiness required the right to marry

Happiness doesn't require the right to eat ice cream either.