Today I voted

[NirvanaMan]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I neither said you were smarmy, nor a jerk. I said you sounded like it when you made your observation.

Ah yes, I did notice that. A subtle distinction indeed. A fine political technique when you really want to insult someone, but want a way to deny it so as not to seem that you are the type to result to personal insults in the first place.

[Nephythys]

What I am saying is that I don't think you are going to get the big changes you think, or hope will happen.

They are not going to be able to do simply yank out of Iraq- in fact, they don't want to.
They are not going to open up by starting impeachments- though if they are that foolish- more power to them.

You are also hopelessly naive if you think Dems are not beholden to special interests. In fact- that is so naive and blind as to be laughable. Of course they are- as much as the GOP.

What is also sad is that for alot of you it seems to have less to do with supposedly turning the country around than it does with putting a wall in front of Bush and the GOP- it's hardly altruistic.

I just suspect this may not turn out to be all that different-

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

What I am saying is that I don't think you are going to get the big changes you think, or hope will happen.

They are not going to be able to do simply yank out of Iraq- in fact, they don't want to.
They are not going to open up by starting impeachments- though if they are that foolish- more power to them.

You are also hopelessly naive if you think Dems are not beholden to special interests. In fact- that is so naive and blind as to be laughable. Of course they are- as much as the GOP.

What is also sad is that for alot of you it seems to have less to do with supposedly turning the country around than it does with putting a wall in front of Bush and the GOP- it's hardly altruistic.

I just suspect this may not turn out to be all that different-

The wall that I want around this government hardly has anything to do with altrusim or lack thereof. They have made so many bad choices that I would rather none be allowed to be made at all. And, DAMN STRAIGHT I want to turn the country around. I don't believe it's possible with this president-- I have no faith in him or respect for him-- so all I can hope for is to curb him until we can vote someone else in.

I never said I thought we were going to pull out of Iraq, nor did I say I wanted it. I have only ever said that I wanted us to never have gone into Iraq. Because we are there we have no choice but to try to clean up the puss that came out when we squeezed it.

And, yes. Politicians are always beholden to special interests. It's just that the Democrats' special interests are far more special to me. Yes, I'm being snarky and not entirely serious there, but I have my doubts that the blue politicians are as tied into the oil market as the red ones.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

And, PS. Big changes? Don't be so pessimistic. We've seen big changes happen before. We sure got big changes when this administration entered the white house. Huge budget surplus turns into horrific budget deficit and unprovoked offensive attack on another country. As clearly this demonstrates, big changes can always happen, and perhaps in the aftermath of the 08 election, big changes could happen again.

[Not Afraid]

The "hippies" dismissal comment never really makes sense to me, since very few of us are actually old enough to be actual hippies. Nor, do I suspect, that NM actually knows much about hippies.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

The "hippies" dismissal comment never really makes sense to me, since very few of us are actually old enough to be actual hippies. Nor, do I suspect, that NM actually knows much about hippies.

Actually, in the actual post he didn't say hippies (surprising, I know! )

[Kevy Baby]

One thing about this campaign was when Jerry Brown was saying his opponent was too extreme.

Governor Moonbeam accusing his opponent of being too extreme?!? Gotta laugh.

[Kevy Baby]

Can someone take the time to look up NM's referenced post and resulting responses? Normally, I would myself, but I shouldn't even
be posting at this time.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Can someone take the time to look up NM's referenced post and resulting responses? Normally, I would myself, but I shouldn't even
be posting at this time.

Against my better judgement...

http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/...ead.php?t=4100

It starts at post #100, and the ensuing discussion about the "liberally-biased message board" bit is peppered thereafter. And, just as I remembered, it was more about how it was said than what was said.

[NirvanaMan]

Here Kevy:

http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/...?t=4100&page=2


Read for yourself, then read this thread as well as all the other political threads. You be the judge.

I'm not sure how anyone could read this thread, filled with comments like "Emporer George" and feel that there is a pretty even mix of opinions and leanings, but I'd be happy to listen if you feel otherwise.