An old friend comes to visit.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Which is an excellent example of the heisenberg uncertainty principle. By measuring an event you change that event.

Sigh. I wish people would stop abusing the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which does NOT say that by measuring an event you change that event.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Sigh. I wish people would stop abusing the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which does NOT say that by measuring an event you change that event.

Sorry, but pop culture will not be denied! Besides that's what Heisenburg himself stated. Sure he was wrong, but there are you are.

[3894]

Just stay away from Rachel Ray.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by 3894

Just stay away from Rachel Ray.

Her 15-Min are sooo up!

[3894]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Her 15-Min are sooo up!

Not trying to hijack the thread but everyone here does know that Rachel Ray has two cds: a Christmas compilation called How Cool Is This? Christmas and then some cheesy kids' compilation with her face photoshopped on the front? She obviously had nothing to do with either cd except to skim off her percentage.

That takes us to a huge question: would it be worse if these were cover albums with Rachel Ray actually singing her Christmas faves?

End of derail.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by 3894

Just stay away from Rachel Ray.

Is that even possible? She's become the queen of over exposure. I realized this when I was wandering the supermarket aisles, and the moment that I noticed a display of cracker boxes with her face on it, I hear her voice on the sound system telling me to buy some crap. Geez.

CP brought one of her cookbooks home from the library. It sucked. The recipes were so poorly written that half the time we had to have an argument about what she actually meant by each step (are we supposed to cook this down THEN add the bok choy, or do we add the bok choy first?!) before we could actually cook anything.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Sorry, but pop culture will not be denied! Besides that's what Heisenburg himself stated. Sure he was wrong, but there are you are.

Huh? Somehow I doubt the person who first described the ACTUAL Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ever confused it with the observer effect.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Huh? Somehow I doubt the person who first described the ACTUAL Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ever confused it with the observe effect.

Heisenberg himself may have initially offered explanations which suggested this view ... Heisenberg's original argument used the 'old' quantum theory (namely, the Einstein-deBroglie relations) and provided a heuristic argument that the position and momentum observables were not simultaneously observable with infinite precision. The more modern uncertainty relations deal with independent measurements being done on an ensemble of systems.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Heisenberg himself may have initially offered explanations which suggested this view ... Heisenberg's original argument used the 'old' quantum theory (namely, the Einstein-deBroglie relations) and provided a heuristic argument that the position and momentum observables were not simultaneously observable with infinite precision. The more modern uncertainty relations deal with independent measurements being done on an ensemble of systems.

Yes, which is NOT the same as "observing an event changes the event." The "position and momentum are not simultaneously observable" interpretation is far closer to the actual meaning of the uncertainty principle, it just ignores the fact that in reality, knowing one of the two provides a probable range of values for the second, rather than just make it unknowable. But either way, it's not the same as the observer effect.