Academy Award Fraud - Page 3

Gemini Cricket · 03-06-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

Is this online somewhere?

I've found the CD Single for sale on Amazon and Verve Records' site, but I haven't found a site that lets you listen to it easily without having to download tons of software etc.
I'll get you a copy when we meet each other irl.

Here's the Amazon listing.

innerSpaceman · 03-05-2007, 09:50 PM

Sounding the same is not the issue. Lots of composers' works end up sounding similar because that's their style. This was a piece of actual recycled work ... and if I read the rules correctly, ineligible for an Academy Award nomination.

Shenanigans!

Oh, and - of course - - bah!

Jughead P. Jones · 03-06-2007, 08:10 AM

I wonder what would happen if someone did get stripped of an Academy Award?

Would there be like this big press conference like Milli Vanilli had when they gave up their Grammy 17 years ago?

innerSpaceman · 03-06-2007, 08:14 AM

TeeHee - let's find out!

innerSpaceman · 03-06-2007, 10:00 AM

Just one thing, tho. Film scores are not generally 120 minutes long.

And I don't mind if it's a judgment call. I just have my doubts (based on nothing) that any sort of consideration was made of non-original portions of this purported original score.

I guess I'm still peeved, years later, that the lone original song from Moulin Rouge ("Come What May") was disqualified from Oscar consideration merely because it was written for (but did not appear in) a different film.

To my mind, going by the same logic, sneaking two previously composed and media utilized music cues into a score is not fair game. As it turns out, the frelling Babel soundtrack CD has 36 tracks ... so I guess one could say that 10 minutes of recycled music is no real dilution.

I confess to being a little confused by there being 2 CDs and 36 seperate tracks on that soundtrack. Babel didn't strike me as that heavy on the score ... but I'm not willing to subject myself to it again just to find out. Given Mr. Santaolallo's reputation for recycling, I wouldn't be surprised if the Babel CD was really just a greatest hits album.

innerSpaceman · 03-06-2007, 10:04 AM

And heheheh, I didn't see GD's ETA before I posted. Yes, that makes it funnier ... though in an earlier post, I alluded to evidence that the cue had been used earlier than the two examples I posted.

Sheesh, at this rate, I'm surprised it wasn't in the Brokeback Mountain score. I wonder why not. No wonder €uro didn't find that score memorable. It didn't include the Santaolallo trademark!

Perhaps there's some Academy rule exemption for a music cue that a composer re-uses in 75% of his films.

LSPoorEeyorick · 03-06-2007, 10:05 AM

Oh, wow. I just listened to these tracks. The Deadwood piece in question is actually the only bit of score from Babel that registered with me (and apparently the only one that registered with the professionals, too-- used at the climax, as well as so frequently in the trailers and the awards montages, etc.)

Sure, he's stealing from himself... but Tom points out that if he wrote it for Deadwood, in all likelihood it legally belongs to HBO and not to the composer himself.

Not to mention that, as the blogger Alex linked to suggests, if he stole two minutes of his own Brokeback score, that is 2/13ths of the original music from that movie. 15%. What a hack.

I've decided we should send a CD of the Babel score alternated with its matching Deadwood, Brokeback and Insider pieces to the LA Time "Envelope" reporter and see if we can smoke this out. Three different direct and lengthy lifts, in my opinion, is quite the diluted score.

ETA: the same clip in Insider? This is getting ridiculous.

mousepod · 03-06-2007, 10:20 AM

Just doing a little more research - it seems that James Horner's score for Aliens (nominated in 1986) used cues cut for Star Trek II and III... will verify when I get home. I still think that this is more typical than one might imagine (not that it's an excuse).

mousepod · 03-06-2007, 10:23 AM

...research continues... the Academy withdrew Nino Rota's nomination for the first Godfather movie when they realized he used cues from a previous work of his.

Gemini Cricket · 03-06-2007, 10:28 AM

I seem to remember similarities between the "Han and Leia" section of the Empire score and parts of Raiders, too.

03-05-2007, 09:50 PM	#2
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Sounding the same is not the issue. Lots of composers' works end up sounding similar because that's their style. This was a piece of actual recycled work ... and if I read the rules correctly, ineligible for an Academy Award nomination. Shenanigans! Oh, and - of course - - bah!
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03-06-2007, 08:10 AM	#3
Jughead P. Jones Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brockville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 404	I wonder what would happen if someone did get stripped of an Academy Award? Would there be like this big press conference like Milli Vanilli had when they gave up their Grammy 17 years ago? __________________ "I shall call him Squishy, and he shall be mine, and he shall be my Squishy!"
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03-06-2007, 08:14 AM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	TeeHee - let's find out!
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03-06-2007, 10:00 AM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Just one thing, tho. Film scores are not generally 120 minutes long. And I don't mind if it's a judgment call. I just have my doubts (based on nothing) that any sort of consideration was made of non-original portions of this purported original score. I guess I'm still peeved, years later, that the lone original song from Moulin Rouge ("Come What May") was disqualified from Oscar consideration merely because it was written for (but did not appear in) a different film. To my mind, going by the same logic, sneaking two previously composed and media utilized music cues into a score is not fair game. As it turns out, the frelling Babel soundtrack CD has 36 tracks ... so I guess one could say that 10 minutes of recycled music is no real dilution. I confess to being a little confused by there being 2 CDs and 36 seperate tracks on that soundtrack. Babel didn't strike me as that heavy on the score ... but I'm not willing to subject myself to it again just to find out. Given Mr. Santaolallo's reputation for recycling, I wouldn't be surprised if the Babel CD was really just a greatest hits album.
	Submit to Quotes

03-06-2007, 10:04 AM	#6
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And heheheh, I didn't see GD's ETA before I posted. Yes, that makes it funnier ... though in an earlier post, I alluded to evidence that the cue had been used earlier than the two examples I posted. Sheesh, at this rate, I'm surprised it wasn't in the Brokeback Mountain score. I wonder why not. No wonder €uro didn't find that score memorable. It didn't include the Santaolallo trademark! Perhaps there's some Academy rule exemption for a music cue that a composer re-uses in 75% of his films.
	Submit to Quotes

03-06-2007, 10:05 AM	#7
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Oh, wow. I just listened to these tracks. The Deadwood piece in question is actually the only bit of score from Babel that registered with me (and apparently the only one that registered with the professionals, too-- used at the climax, as well as so frequently in the trailers and the awards montages, etc.) Sure, he's stealing from himself... but Tom points out that if he wrote it for Deadwood, in all likelihood it legally belongs to HBO and not to the composer himself. Not to mention that, as the blogger Alex linked to suggests, if he stole two minutes of his own Brokeback score, that is 2/13ths of the original music from that movie. 15%. What a hack. I've decided we should send a CD of the Babel score alternated with its matching Deadwood, Brokeback and Insider pieces to the LA Time "Envelope" reporter and see if we can smoke this out. Three different direct and lengthy lifts, in my opinion, is quite the diluted score. ETA: the same clip in Insider? This is getting ridiculous.
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03-06-2007, 10:20 AM	#8
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	Just doing a little more research - it seems that James Horner's score for Aliens (nominated in 1986) used cues cut for Star Trek II and III... will verify when I get home. I still think that this is more typical than one might imagine (not that it's an excuse). __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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03-06-2007, 10:23 AM	#9
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	...research continues... the Academy withdrew Nino Rota's nomination for the first Godfather movie when they realized he used cues from a previous work of his. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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03-06-2007, 10:28 AM	#10
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I seem to remember similarities between the "Han and Leia" section of the Empire score and parts of Raiders, too.
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