The title of Indy 4! "Indiana Jones and...

[innerSpaceman]

Well, besides the fact that I'm gay ... I don't find Spears attractive in any of her permutations. She's a talentless hack, and I have zero interest in this brohaha about her lame comeback attempt that flopped.


Yeah, there's not nearly as much to say about the stupid title of the decades-too-late Indiana Jones movie .... but someone please start a Brittany thread so I can avoid all this sickening faux-entertainment talk.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I said this in a PM, but I wanted to further clarify here that I didn't intend that first reply as an attack on Moonliner; I just intended to disagree that what he said applies to Ally's situation.

The second paragraph of my statement was a general statement about what I've been observing here recently. I am overweight (though keeping a balance of self-esteem and caring for my health is something I work very hard to do.) I feel very strongly about the word being used as an insult, and it always seems weird to me when, looking at a person who has a large number of faults or flaws, "fat" is the first one to be criticized. To me, it's not the worst thing to be. On the scale of things that truly matter to me, it's ignorance or cruelty or any number of other things that rank as a "worst offense." Or, in the case of Spears-- I just don't understand why being less-toned would be more of a target than coking herself up beyond reason?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

All I was trying to assert was that I don't question the validity of her boyfriend's answer. Not only because I highly doubt Ally's boyfriend would imagine she were subconsciously asking about herself, but also-- hell, I find Spears more attractive with more curves. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

I still maintain that a Y'er asking an XY'er about the subject of looks and/or weight will typically get in reply whatever is perceived to be the expected answer. If that happens to also be the empirical truth so much the better but you are still going to get the expected answer in a plurality of cases. In short, I was generalizing about this issue while also taking the opportunity to put a little shot across Ally's bow just for the fun of it. She can spank me later for it if she wants to.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Well, besides the fact that I'm gay ... I don't find Spears attractive in any of her permutations. She's a talentless hack, and I have zero interest in this brohaha about her lame comeback attempt that flopped.


Yeah, there's not nearly as much to say about the stupid title of the decades-too-late Indiana Jones movie .... but someone please start a Brittany thread so I can avoid all this sickening faux-entertainment talk.

What? Not even in that skin tight red jumpsuit thingy? Damn, I guess you are gay.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

On the scale of things that truly matter to me, it's ignorance or cruelty or any number of other things that rank as a "worst offense." Or, in the case of Spears-- I just don't understand why being less-toned would be more of a target than coking herself up beyond reason?

True, but only if we grant Britney the dignity of being a real human being as opposed to the cartoonish sex fantasy she has presented herself as to make millions.

I may be wrong, but I don't necessarily read the criticism as "Ha, look, a fat girl," but that she's conning the public by showing up (relatively) out of shape. If Britney were an athlete, which, in a way, she is, and she behaved badly, many people would come to her defense saying that her personal life is her own business and all that matters is if she shows up in shape and makes plays. Even the beloved Muhammad Ali caught sh** for showing up out of shape and coasting to decisions he did not earn.

[Not Afraid]

I can't help but think of things I'd dispise more than being fat. There are many. I'd rather be fat than have grey hair, for example. I'd rather be fat than a be a drunk. I'd rather be fat and happy than skinny and miserable. The list is endless.

[Kevy Baby]

A snappy comeback that I have been dying to use should the opportunity present itself and somebody calls me "fat":

That may so, but I can go on a diet. Whereas you are stuck with that face the rest of your life.

I came up with this after being teased mercilessly about my weight in my youth. Sadly, I didn't come up with this response until I was older

(Is it still a "snappy" comeback if you have had it floating around in your head for a long time?)

[Prudence]

Hmm. I've actually been working on a bit of prose that might be relevant. It's not completed, but the time seems right for an open mic airing.

[BarTopDancer]

I used to think I was fat because I could never find the size jeans I wear. Then it dawned on me. The reason the racks are full of size 0s and 1s and none of my size, is because people are buying up my size. DUH! I have a personal goal that I am on my way to. It won't drastically lower the size jeans I wear - since I have hips. And once I accepted that 1) the racks are stacked with the tiny sizes because very few people are that tiny and 2) I will never go much smaller than I am now size wise because of my hips, a whole new world opened up.

[innerSpaceman]

I don't kid myself that I can't find clothes my size because so many American men are so similarly small, my size is being snapped up before I get there.

Um, there's simply not as "big" a market for small men's clothes, so the few the stores stock are gone before I get there.



As for "fat" being less of a fault than cruelty or greed ... sure, that's true. But neither of those is visible. Try being UGLY. You may get less insults after grade school (and not only because it takes the Kevys of the world decades to come up with a snappy reply) ... but try and operate in the world and see how much good looks make for smoother sailing.

It's a lame fact that physical attributes are immediately noticed and often criticized ... while really awful inner attributes that spread misery and gloom go unnoticed by all but the folks unfortunate enough to really know such terrible people.