The Schiavo issue - Page 9

Claire · 03-21-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Not being so dogmatic, this is one of the most sensible things I've read - paerhaps we should have the Pope intervene? That would make this even more interesting.

July 2004…Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment based on Pope John Paul II speech

October 2004…Judge Greer denies Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment (motion based on Pope John Paul II speech) [READ]

Prudence · 03-21-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Not being so dogmatic, this is one of the most sensible things I've read - paerhaps we should have the Pope intervene? That would make this even more interesting.

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one...

€uroMeinke · 03-21-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one...

Very well, just call in the antichrist and be done with it then...

MickeyD · 03-22-2005, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

Sorry to burst your bubble on that one...

Thanks for the link on that. I had read a couple weeks ago that they parents were acting with "the Vatican's support" but a quick perusal on my part of vatican.va didn't turn up any offical letters or exhortations written by the Pope on the subject.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that it is ok to discontinue extraordinary measures. Heck, a very well respected priest at the local seminary just recently died after refusing "extraordinary measures." (Luckily he had an Advanced Directive.) I guess Monsignor Elio Sgreccia doesn't consider a feeding tube to be extraordinary measures. There are many Theologians who have spoken out in support of removing Terri's feeding tube and letting her die peacefully including priests from Georgetown, Loyola, and a priest from Terri's own diocese (I'm assuming) of St. Petersburg.

Also, the Catechism states that the decision to terminate extraordinary measures should be made by the family member legally entitled to act for the patient, so the Vatican should actually be supporting Michael Schiavo, not Terri's parents, but the Vatican does countless things every week that baffle me.

Cadaverous Pallor · 03-21-2005, 12:41 PM

Something else I don't agree with Judaism on. Oh well.

BarTopDancer · 03-21-2005, 01:03 PM

Sigh. Your spouse, your next of kin can't make the medical decisions.

Your Living Wills and Advance Health Directives can be ignored.

Your life and your death will be decided on by the government.

After all the government knows you best. They know what you'd want better than what you or your own spouse.

This is very scary. Very very scary. I have never been so scared of my government in my life.

Name · 03-21-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Sigh. Your spouse, your next of kin can't make the medical decisions.

Your Living Wills and Advance Health Directives can be ignored.

Your life and your death will be decided on by the government.

After all the government knows you best. They know what you'd want better than what you or your own spouse.

This is very scary. Very very scary. I have never been so scared of my government in my life.

It's a brave new world.

Disneyphile · 03-21-2005, 01:22 PM

I wouldn't mind this as much if she were "put to death" quickly and painlessly.

My main issue is that she's being starved and dehydrated to death - slow and agonizing. Normally, when the "plug is pulled" on someone, they stop breathing, etc. in just a few moments. But, to lay there suffering for days is completely inhumane. I wouldn't wish that on any of my loved ones.

MickeyD · 03-21-2005, 01:58 PM

About a week and a half before my grandmother died, she lost the ablility to swallow. She was in her eighties, had been diagnosed with Alzheimers for 8 years, hadn't spoken a word in 5 years, or moved a muscle on her own in about 2-3 years. Her eyes were still very expressive though. When she was afraid, you could see it in her eyes. When I'd come home from college, or when my dad would come home from work, her eyes would light up. When she was in pain, it was in her eyes. That last week or so, there was no pain in her eyes. None. Her breathing just became more and more shallow, then her spirit was gone. It was very peaceful. I'm no medical expert. I can't say that's how it is when everyone stops receiving food and nourishment. I can only say that was my experience when it happened with my grandma.

scaeagles · 03-21-2005, 02:03 PM

Do politicians make it a habit of stopping the "pulling the plug" when it happens all over the country on a regular basis? Ummm.....no. Perhaps it is because this case is different.

Anyone who says they know she wants to die is dillusional. No one can know. Unless you accept the word of one man. While comparisons are a-plenty here with support of the death penalty, I would not support the death penalty for anyone based on the word of one person.

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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	Sigh. Your spouse, your next of kin can't make the medical decisions. Your Living Wills and Advance Health Directives can be ignored. Your life and your death will be decided on by the government. After all the government knows you best. They know what you'd want better than what you or your own spouse. This is very scary. Very very scary. I have never been so scared of my government in my life. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	I wouldn't mind this as much if she were "put to death" quickly and painlessly. My main issue is that she's being starved and dehydrated to death - slow and agonizing. Normally, when the "plug is pulled" on someone, they stop breathing, etc. in just a few moments. But, to lay there suffering for days is completely inhumane. I wouldn't wish that on any of my loved ones.
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MickeyD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mooby's Posts: 488	About a week and a half before my grandmother died, she lost the ablility to swallow. She was in her eighties, had been diagnosed with Alzheimers for 8 years, hadn't spoken a word in 5 years, or moved a muscle on her own in about 2-3 years. Her eyes were still very expressive though. When she was afraid, you could see it in her eyes. When I'd come home from college, or when my dad would come home from work, her eyes would light up. When she was in pain, it was in her eyes. That last week or so, there was no pain in her eyes. None. Her breathing just became more and more shallow, then her spirit was gone. It was very peaceful. I'm no medical expert. I can't say that's how it is when everyone stops receiving food and nourishment. I can only say that was my experience when it happened with my grandma. __________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Do politicians make it a habit of stopping the "pulling the plug" when it happens all over the country on a regular basis? Ummm.....no. Perhaps it is because this case is different. Anyone who says they know she wants to die is dillusional. No one can know. Unless you accept the word of one man. While comparisons are a-plenty here with support of the death penalty, I would not support the death penalty for anyone based on the word of one person.
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