The Schiavo issue

[Claire]

Gotta love DeLay:

"One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo to elevate the visibility of what is going on in America, that Americans would be so barbaric as to pull a feeding tube out of a person that is lucid and starve them to death," he said in remarks Friday to a conservative group and made public Wednesday.

"This is exactly the issue that is going on in America, of attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others," added DeLay, lately at the center of a controversy concerning his overseas travel.

Definition of lucid from Dictionary.com:

Main Entry: lu·cid
Pronunciation: 'lü-s&d
Function: adjective
: having, showing, or characterized by an ability to think clearly and rationally —lu·cid·i·ty noun plural -ties
Yeah, the guy has no agenda tied to the Schiavo case. I'm so tired of him already and it's not even election season.


Same speech:

"The point is the other side has figured out how to win and defeat the conservative movement," he said after mentioning Schiavo, "and that is to go after people personally, charge them with frivolous charges and link that up with all these do-gooder organizations funded by George Soros and then get the national media on their side.

"That whole syndicate that they have going on right now is for one purpose and one purpose only, and that's to destroy the conservative movement. It's to destroy conservative leaders." Soros is a billionaire who contributed several million dollars last year to the unsuccessful effort to deny President Bush a second term.

Yeah, because Republicans have no financial backers or engage in smear campaigns against Democrats.

[Claire]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Careful - not until several years after she entered this state did he have his remembrance that she had said she wouldn't want to live this way.

Yes, careful--just because he finally went and did something about his concerns legally in 1998, does not mean he suddenly remembered. He'd been battling with her family for years by this time, but privately.

And Michael at this point, to my understanding, cannot request that the tube be re-inserted. It's the court's decision, solely, and has been for several years now.

[Ghoulish Delight]

"That whole syndicate that they have going on right now is for one purpose and one purpose only, and that's to destroy the conservative movement. It's to destroy conservative leaders."

I don't know about a "syndicate" but, umm, how DARE he imply that as a more-or-less liberal my goal is to get the people I disagree with out of power. What an outrageous accusation

[SacTown Chronic]

Yeah, Claire, I chewed on DeLay's ass a couple pages ago for this. But I did enjoy going over it again. It's such a fun read!

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Claire

Yes, careful--just because he finally went and did something about his concerns legally in 1998, does not mean he suddenly remembered. He'd been battling with her family for years by this time, but privately.

Sorry to be snarky, but was he battling before or after he was impregnating his girlfriend?

Personal note - while my mom was dying of lupus, my dad chose not to be around much. I can deal with that. Hard situation. However, he chose to spend a lot of time with other women. I cannot deal with that.

Last I checked, wedding vows included such things as "in sickness and in health". Perhaps theirs did not.

[Claire]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sorry to be snarky, but was he battling before or after he was impregnating his girlfriend?

Personal note - while my mom was dying of lupus, my dad chose not to be around much. I can deal with that. Hard situation. However, he chose to spend a lot of time with other women. I cannot deal with that.

Last I checked, wedding vows included such things as "in sickness and in health". Perhaps theirs did not.

I'm really sorry, Leo. It's obviously very personal and you didn't have to share, yet you did. Thank you for that.

[scaeagles]

You view every situation from the experiences you have in life.

[SacTown Chronic]

Crystal asked me this morning why so many people choose to assume the worst about Michael Shiavo. My answer was that I suspected some people, on both sides of the issue, were forming their opinions of his motivation based on personal experience -- including past (and present) relationships and marriages. I told her I believed the husband mainly because I know that I would battle to honor her wishes and give her peace. And I know she would do the same for me.

I also said that as our kids get older and start having serious relationships, I might start to agree with Terri's parents' point of view. I already feel that no man will be good enough for my Caitlin, so how would I respond to this situation if it were my daughter? I cannot say. But I freely admit that I would analyze my son-in-law's every move looking for hidden agendas.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

But I trust the trial process

How can you say this and yet not trust the 19 (or 23?) courts that have ruled on this already?

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Betty

How can you say this and yet not trust the 19 (or 23?) courts that have ruled on this already?

Note: I have not said a word about the court rulings. Not one- other than if she had spoken against the ruling it was court ordered execution. I also did not support the congressional action. I was the one who said Jeb ought to give it up already- you are ascribing an opinion to me that I don't even have.

I distrust the husband, I think the whole thing is horrid- but nowhere have I said I agreed nor disagreed with the courts. I don't know enough to do so-

I feel for the parents- and I think the whole thing is painful and awful to witness.

Is that clearer?

(side note- I don't think you can assume that using the word lucid was anything more than a poor choice of words- a mistake as it were and not automatically deliberate)

I also see no one is willing to tackle the question I asked above-