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Kevy Baby · 02-06-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

As people rediscover radio broadcasts?

I LOVE old radio dramas. In Southern California, KNX 1070 AM used to have their "Drama Hour" every night (except Sunday) at 9:00. I was often known to stay at work just a little later just so I could be driving home at that hour. I also have a large collection of cassette tapes (purchased at the Museum of Radio and Television in LA) of these old dramas. If I had the patience, I would capture them and put them on my iPod.

DreadPirateRoberts · 02-07-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

Why not a radio play, a la War of the Worlds? As people rediscover radio broadcasts? Meanwhile ham radio operators (ba-dum ching!) become revered resistance leaders.

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Prudence · 02-06-2008, 07:32 PM

I grew up with LPs of The Shadow, Fibber McGee and Molly, and the Great Gildersleeve.

Not Afraid · 02-06-2008, 07:51 PM

Oh well. Today's conspiracy theory is shot to hell. On to Heath and Brit. I wonder what the conspiracy is there?

Disneyphile · 02-06-2008, 08:05 PM

News at 11: Britney Spears found severing underwater cables with electric razor, thus rerouting all internet traffic to her website.

Moonliner · 02-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Oh thank God!

Just in time! We have a worthy replacement for the cable cutting story....

A Perpetual Motion Machine with a twist. It works.

Comments?

Alex · 02-07-2008, 02:46 PM

If it is well designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll find that there is unrecognized energy input into the system.

If poorly designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll realize that the machinery was so complicated as to mask what's really happening.

If scammily designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll realize that the inventor is intentionally hiding the energy input.

And there's a very, very small chance that what the man has done is not invent a perpetual motion machine but rather to have found a way to transfer energy that doesn't require currently known energy inputs. After all, a solar powered toy car would appear a perpetual motion machine if you were unaware of electromagnetic radiation.

But I feel extremely confident saying he hasn't invented a true perpetual motion machine that consumes less energy than it produces.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-07-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

And there's a very, very small chance that what the man has done is not invent a perpetual motion machine but rather to have found a way to transfer energy that doesn't require currently known energy inputs. After all, a solar powered toy car would appear a perpetual motion machine if you were unaware of electromagnetic radiation.

But I feel extremely confident saying he hasn't invented a true perpetual motion machine that consumes less energy than it produces.

From the article:

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D Day. Heins has modified his test so the effects observed are difficult to deny. He holds a permanent magnet a few centimetres away from the driveshaft of an electric motor, and the magnetic field it creates causes the motor to accelerate. It went well.

Errr, isn't that the basic principal of any electromagnetic motor? Not that I need any more reason to be suspect of claims of perpetual motion, but the utter lack of details in this article doesn't help.

Moonliner · 02-07-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

From the article:

Errr, isn't that the basic principal of any electromagnetic motor? Not that I need any more reason to be suspect of claims of perpetual motion, but the utter lack of details in this article doesn't help.

Which of course is what makes this story a worthy successor to the Cable cut story. Lot's of drama, not many facts.

Alex · 02-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Plus, the newspaper article is really poorly written, offering no evidence of perpetual motion.

It is well known that magnets can cause motion and acceleration. Even permanent magnets (acceleration is generally done with changing fields requiring a constant input of energy). But that bleeds the magnetism out of the magnet. In other words, there is no mention of measuring the magnetic field of the permanent magnet before and after the demonstration (or if demonstration of energy was sufficient to cause a measurable decrease in the magnetic field if one were happening).

Magnets are a very popular source in supposed perpetual motion machines with lots of overlooked energy inputs and outputs.

If the MIT guy is both qualified and truly uncertain then I'm sure this was all accounted for at the demonstration but not explained in the article.

[ETA: Yeah, GD said it before me]

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If it is well designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll find that there is unrecognized energy input into the system. If poorly designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll realize that the machinery was so complicated as to mask what's really happening. If scammily designed I expect what will happen is what always happens, they'll realize that the inventor is intentionally hiding the energy input. And there's a very, very small chance that what the man has done is not invent a perpetual motion machine but rather to have found a way to transfer energy that doesn't require currently known energy inputs. After all, a solar powered toy car would appear a perpetual motion machine if you were unaware of electromagnetic radiation. But I feel extremely confident saying he hasn't invented a true perpetual motion machine that consumes less energy than it produces.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Plus, the newspaper article is really poorly written, offering no evidence of perpetual motion. It is well known that magnets can cause motion and acceleration. Even permanent magnets (acceleration is generally done with changing fields requiring a constant input of energy). But that bleeds the magnetism out of the magnet. In other words, there is no mention of measuring the magnetic field of the permanent magnet before and after the demonstration (or if demonstration of energy was sufficient to cause a measurable decrease in the magnetic field if one were happening). Magnets are a very popular source in supposed perpetual motion machines with lots of overlooked energy inputs and outputs. If the MIT guy is both qualified and truly uncertain then I'm sure this was all accounted for at the demonstration but not explained in the article. [ETA: Yeah, GD said it before me]
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