Yes, we can.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I didn't use that word, so I won't defend it. But I will say that I don't really understand the comparison you're trying to draw. Liking one individual politician over another does not equate to partisanship. It si not the wholelsale dismisal of opposing ideas based on nothing but political affiliation. It's making a value judgement based on an individual's qualities, and it's an inherent necessity of electing an indivudal to office.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I didn't use that word, so I won't defend it. But I will say that I don't really understand the comparison you're trying to draw. Liking one individual politician over another does not equate to partisanship. It si not the wholelsale dismisal of opposing ideas based on nothing but political affiliation. It's making a value judgement based on an individual's qualities, and it's an inherent necessity of electing an indivudal to office.

There have been several examples in this thread of a a division within the Democratic party over how wonderful Obama is at the expense of Clinton. It's the same divisiveness that has been inherent in politics for a good long time and it doesn't represent ANY type of the change and good that it seems Obama is touting. It's the same old thing with new names.

At this point, with a race too close to call, ANY person who doesn't want McCain in office better start seeing the positive points of BOTH Clinton and Obama because it could easily be either one of them prepreseting the Dems in the election.

The Clinton bashing is just more of the same BS and doesn't represent any type of change that it seems Obama supporters are so excited about.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

There have been several examples in this thread of a a division within the Democratic party over how wonderful Obama is at the expense of Clinton. It's the same divisiveness that has been inherent in politics for a good long time and it doesn't represent ANY type of the change and good that it seems Obama is touting. It's the same old thing with new names.

I have two separate opinions:

1. Hillary Clinton would be a bad leader of this country
2. Barrack Obama might be a good leader of the country

Neither is dependent on the other: it is not a "Vs." thing for me.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I have two separate opinions:

1. Hillary Clinton would be a bad leader of this country
2. Barrack Obama might be a good leader of the country

Neither is dependent on the other: it is not a "Vs." thing for me.

Yup. that's where I come from. I do not like Hillary as a Presidential candidate, and my dislike for McCain does not change that.

As I stated before, I sensed a general feeling of partisanship is what gave Hillary her last minute boost on Super Tuesday. The feeling of, "I like Obama better, but Hillary's going to be better at sticking it to the Republicans than Obama." I'm not interested in that.

I will vote for Hillary over McCain. In terms of what I think of them as politicians, they are equally distasteful, so it falls on with whom I agree on more issues and that's Hillary. But I would MUCH prefer not to have to make that choice.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I have two separate opinions:

1. Hillary Clinton would be a bad leader of this country
2. Barrack Obama might be a good leader of the country

Neither is dependent on the other: it is not a "Vs." thing for me.

But, at the moment is IS a "vs" thing for the states that have yet to vote and delegates that have not decided as of yet. One will be the Dem nom and one will not.

We'll know soon enough who will get the nom. It may be Clinton. It may be Obama. Probably one will end up going against McCain.

I think people need to consider what they are going to do it it DOES come down to McCain and Clinton since that is a distinct possibility.

[Morrigoon]

Hmm... that starred word was supposed to say leadership... I'm guessing there was a (rather apropos) typo

[Morrigoon]

But there's something to be said, in that vein, about electability.

I *won't* be voting for Clinton if she wins. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to turn around and vote for McCain, I'm totally undecided on that front right now, might vote for the Libertarian candidate just to make a point. But if Clinton is the nominee, this is one less swing voter to vote Dem. OTOH, I've decided if Obama gets the nod, I'll vote for him.

If Obama can pick up non-democrats, AND he can get the democrat vote, then he's more electable than Hillary.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

.

If Obama can pick up non-democrats, AND he can get the democrat vote, then he's more electable than Hillary.

Yes, but he has to be elected within his own party first. At this point, it isn't a done deal. And, continued bashing of Clinton isn't going to make it so without disgusting others.

[innerSpaceman]

McCain is a man

Obama is a man

Clinton is a woman.


My decision is made. I hope the Dems don't take this opportunity away from me, my nation, and the world.

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

McCain is a man

Obama is a man

Clinton is a woman.


My decision is made. I hope the Dems don't take this opportunity away from me, my nation, and the world.

Obama is black
Clinton is a woman

No matter WHICH candidate wins, this will be a historic election. Which opportunity did you think we'd be missing out on here?