Yes, we can.

[innerSpaceman]

Yes, a tough decision. One most women don't want The State to make for them.


Obama nailed it on that one, and McCain played to his base ... which his running mate has already locked up, so I don't see the strategic point for him in alienating all the undecided white woman who are his only possible salvation at this point.

[Gemini Cricket]

My parents, for instance, are pro-life without any exceptions. I would call them pro-life/anti-abortion...

[Betty]

I tend to feel that because it has to do only with women, it's somehow ok to many men to be Pro-Life.

For example, if the argument had something to do with their balls... for instance, if you chose not to use a condom and there was an unwanted pregancy, they could cut off one of your balls. Would you be pro choice for that? Why? Because it's not up to the government to decide if you have 1 ball or 2, or none at all?

Yeah - that's not a very good argument I know. But politician's just don't mess with men's junk. they shoudln't be messing with mine either.

How about - if ProLife meant you HAD to father a child. There was no choice. Think of all the wasted sperm that could be made into children? Or what if you coudln't have sex without the express purpose of producing a baby so as not to kill off any potential children. No rubbin one out either... to many lost children down the shower drain.

Okay - my arguments still aren't getting any better.

I guess I'm done.

[Gemini Cricket]

"For those of you who are feeling giddy or cocky and think this is all set, I just [have] two words for you: New Hampshire," the Democratic presidential nominee said during a fundraiser breakfast in New York. "You know I've been in these positions before where we were favored and the press starts getting carried away and we end up getting spanked. And so that's another good lesson that Hillary Clinton taught me."

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See see see? Obama agrees with my Han Solo advice. "Don't get cocky." I will be happy once all the votes are counted and a winner is chosen. But I must say I'm more hopeful now.

[3894]

Originally Posted by Betty

I tend to feel that because it has to do only with women, it's somehow ok to many men to be Pro-Life.

When McCain used air quotes around "health of the mother", he lost a lot of women's votes, I betcha.

If you didn't see it, here's a short youtube from the debate. Safe for work.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Betty

I tend to feel that because it has to do only with women, it's somehow ok to many men to be Pro-Life.

I do wonder how many pro-life men would feel if their daughter was raped, ended up pregnant and forced to sustain the pregnancy because abortion was illegal. Or if their daughters health was at risk if the pregnancy was maintained. I also wonder how they propose to remedy the situation of dead-beat dads and dads that neglect to pay child support, leaving the woman struggling. If it takes two to tango, the government to say you have to have this child, or put it in an already messed up foster care system then how come the man is the one who is able to walk away with little to no consequences?

There are statistics that show child abuse and neglect rates dropping in the 60s after R v. W was implemented. There are also statistics that show the number of new gang members dropping to about 15 years later. This was attributed to abortion becoming legal and women who didn't want [would resent, abuse, neglect] their kids ultimately not having them. I'll see if I can find them later. We discussed this in one of my psych classes and also a womens study class.

[scaeagles]

I'll say it - Obama has this in the bag. Unless there is a major October surprise in which a video of Obama meeting with Bin Laden in the caves of Pakistan and embracing him while handing him cash labelled "for anti aircraft stinger missiles" and then giving him a big wet tongue involved smooch, it's over.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll say it - Obama has this in the bag. Unless there is a major October surprise in which a video of Obama meeting with Bin Laden in the caves of Pakistan and embracing him while handing him cash labelled "for anti aircraft stinger missiles" and then giving him a big wet tongue involved smooch . . .

Which the right would immediately take out of context.

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by ScroogeMcSam

Oh, I don't know... being found in bed with a dead white boy might do it

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Which the right would immediately take out of context.

I read those one after the other, SL, and somehow my eyes glossed over the part you actually quoted. Made that remark quite funny. Had to share.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Which the right would immediately take out of context.

Well, it would obviously be because the right is homophobic.