Yes, we can.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Revenge repairs nothing. Looking backward to learn from the past is instructive, but looking backward to make a scene about blame is destructive. It would be nice if we could break the cycle.

Turnabout is fair play. I think the Republicans need to realize that strategies they have used in the past also work in reverse. These politicians need to be called on their mistakes, no one seems to be doing that.

Although thinking like CP's is honorable and just, it ain't how politicians think. And used as a strategy by the Dems will just get them painted as weak by the media and the Repubs. It's the way it is.

Democrats need to come up with more cohesively strategies. It's something the Republicans do well. Yes, lots of times I don't agree with them, but I do applaud their unity.

For example: I guarantee you, if there is an attack on our country after a Dem gets in as president, that the blame will fall directly in his or her lap. There will be no applause for that president on a pile of rubble. The president will be hung out to dry... by the Republicans.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Turnabout is fair play.

That is true, but is it really going to benefit anybody? Tit-for-tat-for-tit-for-tat goes on forever and doesn't solve anything. Do you want revenge or repair? Ask the Israelis and Palestinians - they have plenty of one but none of the other.

I think the Republicans need to realize that strategies they have used in the past also work in reverse. These politicians need to be called on their mistakes, no one seems to be doing that.

Which mistakes are you referring to? Seems to me everyone is screaming about how awful the Bush Administration is - rightly so - so I don't see the silence you're talking about.

Although thinking like CP's is honorable and just, it ain't how politicians think. And used as a strategy by the Dems will just get them painted as weak by the media and the Repubs. It's the way it is.

Then how come Obama is doing well? Can the Republicans paint him as weak for talking about fixing things instead of pointing fingers and saying "nyah nyah, it's our turn to blame you, you'll have to wait to be back in power to do the same to us, and then we'll get back in power and do the same back again, ad infinitum, nyah nyah."

Democrats need to come up with more cohesively strategies. It's something the Republicans do well. Yes, lots of times I don't agree with them, but I do applaud their unity.

Unity? Have you seen what's happening with this McCain thing? If you're talking about how Republican representatives have followed lock step behind Bush into freedom infringement territory, I'd remind you that we don't want that kind of unity. It's the unity of scare tactics.

For example: I guarantee you, if there is an attack on our country after a Dem gets in as president, that the blame will fall directly in his or her lap. There will be no applause for that president on a pile of rubble. The president will be hung out to dry... by the Republicans.

The only way to fix dirty playing is to take the high road, GC. Period. Call them out, make them look bad, and be able to stand on a clean history.

[NirvanaMan]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Turnabout is fair play. I think the Republicans need to realize that strategies they have used in the past also work in reverse. These politicians need to be called on their mistakes, no one seems to be doing that.

Are you honestly suggesting that only Republicans politicians play the game of uhhhh - politics?

Paaaaallllleeeeaasssse.

[Strangler Lewis]

Makes sense in theory. However, have we had any great presidents who were not also known for their public speaking ability? Could Moses get elected president?

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Makes sense in theory. However, have we had any great presidents who were not also known for their public speaking ability? Could Moses get elected president?

I didn't throw out the option of Great President/Great Speaker (nor poor president/poor speaker). I was merely comparing those two options: Good Pres/Poor Speaker vs. Good Speaker/Poor Pres.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

However, have we had any great presidents who were not also known for their public speaking ability? Could Moses get elected president?

Thomas Jefferson was a notoriously poor public speaker. After his first State of the Union address was inaudible to most of Congress, he never gave another one. The rest he sent to Congress in writing. There are also reports that he had a lisp.

Lincoln's voice was often described as high-pitched, unpleasant and shrill.

I guess it shows what good writing can do.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Tom

Lincoln's voice was often described as high-pitched, unpleasant and shrill.

No it's not. I heard him plenty of times in "Great Moments..." and his voice was quite deep and very powerful.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Tom

Thomas Jefferson was a notoriously poor public speaker. After his first State of the Union address was inaudible to most of Congress, he never gave another one. The rest he sent to Congress in writing. There are also reports that he had a lisp.

Lincoln's voice was often described as high-pitched, unpleasant and shrill.

I guess it shows what good writing can do.

More Dennis Weaver than Raymond Massey, I guess. Maybe I should refine that to say that it's hard to imagine somebody ranking as a great president in our modern media age without being considered an eloquent speaker.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by Tom

Thomas Jefferson was a notoriously poor public speaker. After his first State of the Union address was inaudible to most of Congress, he never gave another one. The rest he sent to Congress in writing. There are also reports that he had a lisp.

Lincoln's voice was often described as high-pitched, unpleasant and shrill.

I guess it shows what good writing can do.

Tom, thanks for the little Presidential facts I did not know. Cool!

I have to say, I'm finding Hillary and Bill unpleasant and shrill, these days.

[Strangler Lewis]

And the Torah says a dishonorable son shall be put to death. The Talmud mitigates this by saying that such a thing is an impossibility. You might be able to get elected, but I don't think you can be deemed a great president without the ability to inspire people to see things your way.