All About McCain

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

The election boils down to do we want a 72-year-old man, who has had skin cancer numerous times, and whose body was broken many times ..... I am just dumbfounded that people think this is even a serious question.

Well, some of us think the issues are more important than how old the candidate is or how many times he beat cancer.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Well, some of us think the issues are more important than how old the candidate is or how many times he beat cancer.

Yeah... Like the fact he wants to continue Bush's policies....

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Well, some of us think the issues are more important than how old the candidate is or how many times he beat cancer.

Exactly! Which is why I'm voting for Obama.

I don't know if you know, but I'm not wholly against McCain. I just think someone like Obama only comes once in a generation (nacht, TWO generations, if not more), that I would be really doing myself a disservice if I just voted the way I normally vote.

That said, with Palin on the ticket I would be voting Democrat... even if we wound up selecting Hillary. /gulp

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Tenigma

That is, Obama chose Biden for the purposes of helping him with his presidency.

That is, McCain chose Palin for the purposes of helping him with his election.

I am just dumbfounded that people think this is even a serious question.

And I am dumbfounded that you seem to believe there were no political calculations in selecting Biden.

[Tenigma]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And I am dumbfounded that you seem to believe there were no political calculations in selecting Biden.

Oh I'll admit I'm sure he took into consideration those voters who questioned his resume.

I guess what I wasn't clear on is that I think the choice was made to ensure people during the campaign, that the presidency would benefit from teh VP nom.

I don't think I can say the same for the McCain/Palin ticket.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Republicans, seriously...why are you voting for this asshole? How can it not bother you that he picked Palin to be VP?

Democrats and Obama supporters, really...why are you voting for this inexperienced and arrogant newby? Oh, wait....we're not supposed to use ad hominem attacks. My bad.

In the same manner as sleepyjeff, I think it was a brilliant choice politically that has also made me more inclined to vote for McCain, as it has with his key constituency. This shored up his base.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

In the same manner as sleepyjeff, I think it was a brilliant choice politically that has also made me more inclined to vote for McCain, as it has with his key constituency. This shored up his base.

Are you part of the base that has been shored up by his selection of her, or are you simpy admiring an astute gesture on his part?

Is there a point at which the personal would become political for you and at which you/the base would be adrift once again? Her alleged affair? The stories about her children's drug use? The suggestion--that I knew was coming--that Track joined the military because he was a screw-up with no other options, etc.

[Stan4dSteph]

Palin says "nuke-u-ler"

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

Are you part of the base that has been shored up by his selection of her, or are you simpy admiring an astute gesture on his part?

Is there a point at which the personal would become political for you and at which you/the base would be adrift once again? Her alleged affair? The stories about her children's drug use? The suggestion--that I knew was coming--that Track joined the military because he was a screw-up with no other options, etc.

I am part of the republican base that has been shored up by her for two reasons.

First, I have doubts about the sincerity of McCain's recent move toward more traditionally conservative stances. Palin is much, much more so.

Secondly, I have been upset with the corruption in the party of which I am a member. She rose to governor in part because she took on incredibly corrupt republican politicians. Please note I believe corruption exists on both sides, so the corruption in my party is not enough to make me switch. I'd consider switching to libertarian if they ever had candidates that weren't....well, bordering on insane.

To address your questions, Strangler and Betty, of course there are things that could make me not vote for them. I have only recently become solidly McCain, and I have made that pretty clear over the last serveral months.

Nothing "alleged", no matter how believable some might find it, will sway me. As an example, there have been rumors that Obama is secretly Muslim. He made two misstatements about visiting all 57 states (and there's the whole thing about there being 57 Muslim states or somethig like that), and then saying "my Muslim faith" when he meant Christian. To some, that makes the rumors all the more believable, but I still don't buy it. For those offended by me bringing this up, I am saying this in direct response to questions about if of rumors (particularly the alleged affair) and if they would sway me and it is not an attempt to further spread this one in particular. No one here believes it anyway.

So, if it is proven she had an affair, I would have HUGE reservations, once again, about casting my vote for McCain. As I have admitted one of the factors in my new support for McCain is his selection of Palin, if she was shown to have had an affair and it was proven absolutely, my support would wane. I say this with one caveat....let's say the affair was 20 years ago. Not much of an impact for me. People change and no one is perfect. If it was 6 months ago, big impact.

As far as anything having to do with her children and their behavior? Nothing will make an impact there. As a high school coach I know plenty of great kids with screwed up parents, and just as many screwed up kids with great parents. As a parent, I do my best, but I know that my influence is limited and short of caging my children in the house 24/7 I cannot control every aspect of their lives.

[Betty]

I'm curious if there is anything at this point, that could be revealed, that would cause you those of you that ARE voting McCain / Palin to NOT vote for them?

If a scandal came out - that was atrocious and seemed likely but couldn't be proved before the election, would you reconsider?

Or is it a democrat/republican thing and you would never in a million years vote for "the other side".