All About McCain

[mousepod]

I hate to post this... particularly since I'm not a fan of the Republican platform, ticket, or tactics... but I don't dig Strangler Lewis' hypotheticals. Why don't we argue about the platforms, the spin, the coverage...? Or at least cite some kind of substantiation when making generalizations.

I came down on scaeagles yesterday when I perceived him to be using a similar argument. I don't want to appear to be a "knee-jerk progressive" (even though I might actually be one), so I'm calling shenanigans.

[Gemini Cricket]

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin/Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton on SNL
So freakin' funny... and true.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin/Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton on SNL
So freakin' funny... and true.

McCain Spokeswoman says skit is sexist

Originally Posted by Carly Fiorina

Well, I think that she looked a bit like her. I think that, of course, the portrait was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive, and Sarah Palin as totally superficial. I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme, and yes, I would say, sexist in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance.

Link You have to scroll down a bit.

[Gemini Cricket]

I saw more people of color at the DNC than at the RNC. That goes for speakers and audience members.

[Strangler Lewis]

I'm talking about the National Enquirer piece on Palin, which, for purposes of discussion, I am assuming will prove true. I also posited a scenario for a black candidate with similar family problems, and I made an assumption about the likely response from the right. What don't you like about any of that?

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

I'm talking about the National Enquirer piece on Palin, which, for purposes of discussion, I am assuming will prove true. I also posited a scenario for a black candidate with similar family problems, and I made an assumption about the likely response from the right. What don't you like about any of that?

Your assumption about the likely response from the right to a non-existent scenario.

SL, I don't disagree with you... but I think that to have a productive argument here, these kind of remarks are unnecessary. On Wednesday, I had a problem with scaeagles repeating a Biden gaffe and then saying "Something tells me if Palin did this...".

There are so many substantial things to argue about here - I think that generalizations about potential ethical comments don't play well for either side.

For me, I'd like to talk about things like this quote from McCain (Oct 2007 - pre-Rove), where he said: "I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't governor for a short period of time."

Granted, he was trying to beat Giuliani and Romney at the time, but it seems a little... what's the word? ... hypocritical.

[innerSpaceman]

In fact, I only saw ANY people of color at the RNC after it was widely reported in the press how lily white the convention was.

In all fairness, the Republican Convention is attended primarily by hard-core base members (and, what ya know? They're all white!) ... while the Democrat Convention is attended by a much wider range of practicing democrats. Not merely the base.



Still. It painted an ugly picture. Pictures speak a thousand words. Whites Only.

[scaeagles]

I could go into many things that I believe about the democrat base but won't. It wouldn't be productive, nor would it be relevant to the conversation at hand.

The whole "If Palin were African American" doesn't hold water with me. If Palin were African American on the republican ticket she'd be branded an Uncle Tom. I do know racists. In my own (extended family). The vast and huge majority of the conservatives I know are not.

We can go through history and talk about racists in each party, or the vote count for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and who opposed and filibustered it, or who in the Senate used to be in the KKK, or who cited segregationist Fulbright as a mentor.....why pretend that racism is only on the conservative side?

I guess we could quote Howard Dean and say the only way the Rpublicans can get minorities in the audience it to bring in the hotel staff.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I guess we could quote Howard Dean and say the only way the Rpublicans can get minorities in the audience it to bring in the hotel staff.

So your only example from the last ten years purports to claim that someone who observes the obvious racism of the Republican party is a racist by virtue of uttering said observation?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So your only example from the last ten years purports to claim that someone who observes the obvious racism of the Republican party is a racist by virtue of uttering said observation?

Are you familiar with the group "La Raza"? Big time political activists in Arizona, who proclaim the superiority of the hispanic race. It is safe to say based on their activities locally that they support democrat candidates.

What about The Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan? NO bigger jew-hating racist on the face of the earth. I'm thinking that he and his group doesn't vote republican.

What about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their Jew hatred? They dare to stand under the umbrella of equality, and I'm sure their supporters aren't on the republican side.

Yes, I know, the RNC was white. Very white. The African American and Hispanic constituencies vote overwhelmingly with the democrat side. African Americans who dare spout conservative ideals are ostracized, called names, told they are sell outs to their race.

I was sitting in a meeting where a hispanic man used the phrase "Jew him down" in terms of trying to get a better price. Incredibly offensive.

We can go back and forth on this all day. I realize the reputation of the republicans as racists. I do not subscribe to it. I am not a racist, nor do I know many. I realize no one here is claiming that I am.