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Old 09-18-2008, 01:38 PM   #1
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And I don't think it gives them a black eye at all. There's a loophole in the law, and it's up to the Citizenry to expose it until the law closes it.

It's disgraceful for government personnel to attempt to go around the laws directed at them for the protection of the citizenry. Why is Sarah Palin not burned as a witch, much less put forth as a candidate on "Honorable" John's ticket? She's a crook, and I can't believe more of a big deal isn't being made of her trying to hide her official emails in violation of the spirit of the law.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:42 AM   #2
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Alaskan women protest against Palin.
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:17 AM   #3
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McCain's chief of staff has been outed.

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John McCain is opposed to every single gay rights measure of recent years –- from a hate crimes bill, to an anti-discrimination bill to an attempt to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military –- and is publicly on record supporting a ballot measure in California this November to strip gays and lesbians there of their legally-won right to marry in that state.
Maybe Palin's church can "cure" him, eh? If ever we we really needed a vomiting smilie, this would be it.
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:44 AM   #4
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On a replay of Mark and Brian's radio show this morning, they were discussing the impending financial doom. They said that the guy who is responsible for the deregulation of banking (those controls that were set up after The Great Depression to avoid this sort of mess) that caused this financial crisis is now McCain's financial advisor - pretty much guaranteeing more gloom and doom if he's elected.

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Old 09-23-2008, 08:56 AM   #5
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So many people have been involved in so many things that can be blamed for our current situation that everybody will be able to easily filter out completely contradictory lists of people to blame.

However, they were probably talking about Phil Gramm, who has certainly be in the middle of banking deregulation efforts for the last 30 years including the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, a Depression era bit of regulation that put up walls between banks, investment houses, and insurance companies.

A strong argument could be made that it was the removal of this wall that allowed these three sub-sectors to get so intertwined that a 3% foreclosure rate brought them all to their knees.

That said, while Gramm was a driving force, it was passed on a bipartisan basis (75% plus in favor in both houses) and then signed by Bill Clinton.
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However, they were probably talking about Phil Gramm
And let's not forget the lovely Mrs. Phil, Dr. Wendy Lee Gramm, former chairman of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission under Reagan and Bush and former member of the board of Enron.

To a voter like me, the Gramms' close relationship to McCain is one of McCain's most loserlicious moves. Of course, McCain has written off voters like me and with good reason.
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There is no point in going about the game of trying to place blame on one party or another. This is truly a bipartisan mess if there ever was one. For every point one side makes about such and such advisor or such and such vote, the other side can match it item for item in reference to the other side.

And they are all probably accurate.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:19 AM   #8
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This is an easy to understand piece on why this financial crisis is largely the democrats failure, not the republicans. It also points out that McCain was one of three cosponsors on a bill that would most likely have averted this should it have passed.

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Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.
This needs to be publicized from the mountain tops by the Mccain campaign.

No wonder Pelosi has been loudly proclaiming the dems have no fault in this. It appears to be largely their fault, and McCain was one who tried to pass legicaltion to reign in this problem three years ago

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There is no point in going about the game of trying to place blame on one party or another. This is truly a bipartisan mess if there ever was one. For every point one side makes about such and such advisor or such and such vote, the other side can match it item for item in reference to the other side.

And they are all probably accurate.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:29 AM   #9
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Thanks for pointing that out. I have actually been researching this quite a bit and have certainly come to a conclusion that it is without a doubt the responsibility of both parties.

I wouldn't figure that changing my mind would be a big deal, particularly around here, but I perhaps should have retracted the first portion of the first quote, which I did not think to do.

It remains, however, that McCain did cosponsor that bill.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:32 AM   #10
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