Democratic National Convention '08

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

This is a very liberal-leaning message board. I don't think there are many supporters of John McCain for president around here. Heheh, not even among our few Conservative members.

Yet no one personally insults the man by saying he became a U.S. Senator because people felt sorry for him being tortured as a Vietnam prisoner of war. Yet, from a certain and logical point of view, that's exactly what happened.

Being a torture victim may make you a martyr-like hero that inspires admiration, but it more likely inspires pity.

Yet, it would be rude to say the Senator was elected by the citizens of Arizona because of pity ... and in any case, he's gone on to do very good work for his constituents in that State and for America as a United States Senator.

When people don't accord Senator Clinton the same respect, it irks me. And she has also gone on to do good work for her constituents and for America. And so I take umbrage at the personal and disgustingly disrespectful insult.

I made my judgments about Hillary completely independent of:

1. Her gender
2. John McCain and his war injuries
3. Barrack Obama and his color

PART of the reason that I do not like Hillary is because I believe that without being married to a past president, she would be a complete unknown.

In my opinion, she has done very little actual good for this country. I completely disagree with her thoughts on how to improve health care and I disagree with a lot of her political positions. IMO, she is one of the bigger snakes in the grass in current politics.

I do not support McCain, but then I am not wild about Obama either. Just because I agree with Helen's sentiment about Hillary does not mean that I do so in spite of how McCain may or may not have been elected.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I do not support McCain, but then I am not wild about Obama either. Just because I agree with Helen's sentiment about Hillary does not mean that I do so in spite of how McCain may or may not have been elected.

All fair and good, and my comment was not directed primarily at you because you did not make the original insult. But have you similarly insulted McCain because of how he attained power? Or is that a low-blow that you find Clinton deserving of in particular?

I understand you don't agree with her policies or accomplishments. That can be stated without personal insult. But Hillary having attained the public eye by being first lady is no more or less serendipitous than McCain attaining the public eye because he was a POW.

Again, I take umbrage only because I don't think we will be crass enough around here to insult McCain for similar circumstances.



By the way, the insult is less to her than to the people of my home State of New York, by implying they are sheep who had their own collective wool pulled over their eyes. I may not live there anymore, but once a New Yawker always a New Yawker ... and it's never wise to insult a New Yawker.