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[Morrigoon]

Oooh, here's a gem from this interview with Joe the Plumbing Contractor:

PM: Do you fear this is the possibility of America turning more down the socialist road if Obama does become elected and if he is able to implement these policies?

JW: Very much so. You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it – and that scares me. A lot of people expect it now. They get upset when their check’s late, they get upset when they don’t get as many benefits as they used to, or when different government agencies are cut or spending is cut here and there for whatever reason – people get upset at that. And that’s because they’re used to getting it and they want more.

Okay, so there are parts of that I agree with, but OMFG call the authorities, the populace gets upset when their checks are late! Oh the horror! The arrogance! They feel "entitled" to the money they earned through their labor, can you imagine?

*snark*

[Betty]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Okay, so there are parts of that I agree with, but OMFG call the authorities, the populace gets upset when their checks are late! Oh the horror! The arrogance! They feel "entitled" to the money they earned through their labor, can you imagine?

*snark*

Must be an indication of how he runs his business I'm thinking. *also snarky*

[scaeagles]

He was talking about the government giving people money, not about money they've made through working. Unless I'm reading that completely wrong.

You start giving people stuff, and then they start expecting it

[Strangler Lewis]

I think he's talking about welfare checks.

[BarTopDancer]

I agree with Leo. People were flipping out when the "tax rebate" checks didn't come exactly as scheduled.

[Morrigoon]

Ah, I thought he meant his employees, because his next comment was about benefits.

[tracilicious]

Even if it is welfare, I'm guessing those people really need that money, and thus it being late could be a really big deal to them.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Sorry, all I see here is fear.

You all have an agenda you want to achieve, and "Joe" is seen as a threat to that agenda. Therefore he must be destroyed. His motives questioned, his character trashed. The ends justify the means. Truth is, well truth is just not that important. Perception is king.


Note you can replace "Joe" with: "Charles H. Keating", "William Ayers", "Rev. Wright", "Cindy Hensley", "AIG" or a dozen other names. Some bad some not but all being used as pawns to gain an advantage. The game remains the same.

The Republicans were the ones who used him for their own agenda. We're just exposing it for what it is.

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Even if it is welfare, I'm guessing those people really need that money, and thus it being late could be a really big deal to them.

It is... Trust me on that one.

[Morrigoon]

Of course it is. Landlords and utilities like to be paid on time too.

[Tom]

Sorry to join the Joe the Plumber pile-on, but I found these amusing. Apparently Joe is not actually licensed as a plumber and doesn't like paying old taxes any more than he does new ones - Ohio filed a lien against him last year for unpaid taxes.