A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Betty

Well of course it wasn't you!

And yeah - I hear you on the arguing thing. It just makes me angry.

I look at the few lawn signs in our neighborhood and think poorly of the people who live there.

FYI - in the house that's for rent, the yes on 8 sign I mentioned before was down within a day. First it was kicked over, then removed. I like to think someoene called the rental company and said WTF.

It was clearly the neighbors sign as it's now up in their yard and has been ever since.

But now with the lawn signs, it's very easy to see who the neighborhood idiots are. Maybe we should avoid their houses on Halloween. We wouldn't want to catch "the bigotry" from them and their tainted candy.

Before you heap too much vitriol on the neighbours, take a moment to reflect that many people seem to view this not as a gay rights issue, but as an issue of the state interfering with their freedom of religion.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Before you heap too much vitriol on the neighbours, take a moment to reflect that many people seem to view this not as a gay rights issue, but as an issue of the state interfering with their freedom of religion.

Except it's not. It's one religion trying to impose their views on the rest of the state. It doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form, yet they want to take away rights for thousands of people. I certainly won't be standing up for them if their rights are ever in jeopardy.

[Morrigoon]

their freedom to impose their religion on other people's relationships...

[innerSpaceman]

I wasn't able to convince my two Mormon crewmates to at least abstain.

[Morrigoon]

crewmates?

[BarTopDancer]

I'm not going to push my co-worker to hard. He's got common sense about him and he's doing what he feels is right. His issue is with the word "marriage" and that a "marriage" should only be between 2 people of opposite sex, in a church blessed by god. He doesn't have an issue taking away the term "marriage" from hetero couples who weren't married in a church either.

At least he's pushing that the campaign ads are full of lies to his friends who believe them. Maybe a last minute crisis of consciousness will hit some of the Yes on 8 people in the voting booth.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Except it's not. It's one religion trying to impose their views on the rest of the state. It doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form, yet they want to take away rights for thousands of people. I certainly won't be standing up for them if their rights are ever in jeopardy.

I never said it was. I just said that's the perception.

[Betty]

No - I think the yes on 8 folks should be shunned. they are either blindly following their church without thinking for themselves or are no better then those who would discriminate based on ones skin color.

They would shun others - why not let all the others shun them instead.

I know - maybe I should be more accepting of those with different thoughts and values... but damnit - they ought to get a taste of their own medicine and see how bitter it is.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

crewmates?

Friends on this year's Halloween Party Crew. Two of them, including Autumn - who is basically my co-conspirator and equal host - are Mormon. I waited till after the party was done to have "The Talk" with them.

Frankly, they are two of the least hateful people I've ever known, so there's no mistaking their choice for hatefulness. Once I confirmed they are voting the way they are from their own volition rather than LDS decree, I had no choice of my own to but to respect their freedom of choice and cordially disagree with theirs.

Originally Posted by Betty

I know - maybe I should be more accepting of those with different thoughts and values... but damnit - they ought to get a taste of their own medicine and see how bitter it is.

Perhaps. But not from me. Who loses if I were to give them a taste of their own medicine? If I must become as intolerant as they in order to "teach them a lesson," I am the big loser.

It was enough to state my case, point out the hypocrisy of Mormons to foist their definition of marriage on others, and appeal to their lasting hurt that their personal view of the "right" definintion of marriage (i.e., male polygamy) has been made illegal by the determination of others.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Betty

But now with the lawn signs, it's very easy to see who the neighborhood idiots are. Maybe we should avoid their houses on Halloween. We wouldn't want to catch "the bigotry" from them and their tainted candy.

Or, go as a gay couple. Siegfried and Roy, Ellen and Portia, Bert and Ernie

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

It's one religion trying to impose their views on the rest of the state.

Actually, it is not just one religion.

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I wasn't able to convince my two Mormon crewmates to at least abstain.

What; were they doing it right there on the lawn?