A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

ISM, what principled case did your Mormon friends make other than telling you to your face that your lifestyle was immoral? If there is such a case to be made, I haven't heard the Prop. 8 folks make it.

Nope, that's it.

Who am I to tell them what their moral code should be, and who are they to tell me?

They would vote to outlaw drinking and smoking if given the opportunity. They are just trying to make the world a better place by their vote, based on their personal (I'm sure LDS-influenced) views of what a better place would look like.

Certainly, I have a moral code that brooks little opposition. And I certainly vote and take other actions to make the world a better place in my view.

Minding my own damn business and not impinging on the rights of others is my own view of a better place, but who am I to declare it must be the view of everyone?


Funny, though, how they think nothing of voting to take away my rights to marry ... but have never once had a talk with me to influence my decisions to drink alcohol, smoke pot, or have sex with men. These discussions would have been fruitless, and I'm sure they knew that ... but I knew my asking them to abstain or vote No on 8 would be fruitless, and yet I certainly had that dicussion with them.


I'm bothered they feel they can go into the voting boothy to take away my right to marry, but won't just ask me nicely not to marry another guy. Heheh.


Still, their petty bigotry, intolerance, and religiousity small mindedness are but small elements of otherwise wonderful people. I will remain friends with them. My predilections for drinking, gettting high, and sucking dick are but small elements of the "otherwise" wonderful Zlick, and so they will remain friends with me.


I tried.


They are literally the only two people I know who will be voting Yes on 8, so I have no one else I can hope to convince.


Still, I'd like to do something in these final days. I really dropped the ball on working to defeat Prop 8.

[Morrigoon]

How about distributing 100 flyers?

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Okay guys, I don't know about you, but I'm getting worried about this election. I think it's time for some grass-roots efforts to get the word out there about voting No on Prop 8. So here's my challenge to you:

Create a flyer (your own or one shared by another LoTer) that reminds people to vote No. Could be as simple as a circle slash with Prop 8 in the center, or as detailed as you want, I don't care, as long as it reminds people why it's so important to vote no.
Go to Kinko's, make 100 copies of your flyer, and distribute all of them in a manner of your choosing (on car windshields in the Target parking lot, on your neighbors' doorsteps, hand them out in person in a public place, whatever).
Then post here that you've done it.

I haven't got much in the way of prizes, but I will give a reindeer Mickey ear hat to everyone who completes the challenge (While supplies last. Yes, the ones from last year's Xmas party).

Feel free to use this thread to discuss/share flyer and distribution ideas.

My hope is that we'll all (myself included) feel inspired to continue the effort and spread the word even further than the initial hundred. But I can tell you from experience that handing out more than a hundred flyers is a lot to bite off, so please start with that, and if you still feel inspired, then go make more copies, etc.

[Morrigoon]

Just spent my lunch arguing Prop 8 with some random guy I shared a table with in the food court. Sadly, I believe I was unsuccessful. He's convinced that his kids are going to be taught gay marriage in school, and nothing will convince him otherwise.

[Promo-Man]

Prop 8 is just full of hate

[Gemini Cricket]

Dianne Feinstein is featured in the newest No on 8 ad:
See it here.

Well, good for her.

[Chernabog]

I'm reading all these accounts of Mormons from out of state spending $30,000+ on Yes on 8, pouring their life savings into this.

How amazingly sad. To spend all your money trying to block someone else's right to marry in a state a thousand miles away.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Betty

They would shun others - why not let all the others shun them instead.

Shunning doesn't make anything better. Neither does vilifying.

These are misled people. They only want what's best and they are scared. They need to be educated, not locked away from reality, left victims of ignorance and evil persuasion.

I hope no one would leave me behind when other revolutions show up on my doorstep.

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

These are misled people. They only want what's best and they are scared. They need to be educated, not locked away from reality, left victims of ignorance and evil persuasion.

They need to be educated but so many cannot be educated -- because they don't WANT to be educated. They don't want to open their eyes, and that is their moral failing. There's a world of difference between the ignorant person open to knowledge and the ignorant person proud of how closed-minded they are.

[innerSpaceman]

Yep, it astounded me how my otherwise most good-hearted friends who, ya know, somehow feature some frontier Jesus Christ in their cult religion, can consider it the moral high ground to doom other people to a life of relative loneliness.


But if that's their moral viewpoint, how can they be "educated" out of it?

Can you be educated out of yours?

[alphabassettgrrl]

If a more logical argument were made, then yes, I hope I would adopt that viewpoint. I've tried to live my life by reasonably rational layouts, so if a better argument exists, I'd like to give it a chance.

I saw a new "no on 8" sign coming home from school today. Yay!