A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Protest Rally Scheduled for Tonight

Thanks for the info, I'll be back from Redlands in plenty of time to attend.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

nothing could have changed the minds of people who didn't think blacks were human.

I agree with you. The only way this situation will change is when the courts force the ignorant to play nice. But judges don't make decisions based on how many people attended a post-election rally. The good judges (ones not unduly influenced by imaginary friends) make decisions based on what is fair and just.

[BarTopDancer]

Mormon leaders urge respect for foes in gay-marriage debate.

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Now that California voters have outlawed same-sex marriage, an LDS Church leader called Wednesday for members to heal any rifts caused by the emotional campaign by treating each other with "civility, with respect and with love."

So now that they got what they wanted they should love thy neighbor?

I feel like I've just been slapped in the face.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

I agree with you. The only way this situation will change is when the courts force the ignorant to play nice. But judges don't make decisions based on how many people attended a post-election rally. The good judges (ones not unduly influenced by imaginary friends) make decisions based on what is fair and just.

The Civil Rights act in 1964 was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. Elected officials acting because they could not ignore a motivated citizenship that was not standing by quietly waiting for judges to fix things.

Obama got flack for this old quote, but it's a good message:

"And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still suffer from that."

And beyond all that, think back to being taught about the civil rights movement during your own formative years. What do you remember as having the biggest impression on you? The kind of impression that ensured that your generation was instilled with a sense of tolerance and equality for people no like yourself. Was it details of court rulings? Or was it images like these:






This isn't about this election. It isn't about the next election. It's not about 3 lawsuits, a pending court battle, or even a possible federal Supreme Court ruling. It's about letting everyone know that human beings deserve rights and being sure no one forgets it. It's about making sure future generations know that people are willing to fight for their right.

I understand being too angry to want to face the insurmountable force of ignorance yourself. But there are people who are planning to stand in the streets and proclaim their support for you as a human being. I cheer them on, and wish I could be there myself. I hope you feel the same.

[Morrigoon]

Amendments cannot be struck from the Constitution, they must be repealed by a subsequent amendment. So I sincerely hope someone is starting the signature-gathering effort RIGHT NOW for that amendment.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Amendments cannot be struck from the Constitution, they must be repealed by a subsequent amendment. So I sincerely hope someone is starting the signature-gathering effort RIGHT NOW for that amendment.

Originally Posted by Andrew

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[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

What do you remember as having the biggest impression on you? The kind of impression that ensured that your generation was instilled with a sense of tolerance and equality for people no like yourself. Was it details of court rulings? Or was it images like these:

^ awesome point.

Pictures speak a thousand words, don't they?


I was alive then. I remember it well, and all the Vietnam protests, too.


I don't remember any of the court rulings. Yawn.



That said, I'm confident this will be won in the Courts. And that's fine for California ... but does not help the rest of America in the way a voter affirmation of gay rights here would have.

Bah.

Sad cheese.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Amendments cannot be struck from the Constitution, they must be repealed by a subsequent amendment. So I sincerely hope someone is starting the signature-gathering effort RIGHT NOW for that amendment.

The matter under question is whether 8 is in fact a valid, legitimate amendment. The No-8 people say it isn't, because the kind of change implied by 8 has to be enacted by the Legislature and can't be done by Initiative.

[Morrigoon]

I'm not ignoring that, BTD, one can hope that it is prevented from being added to the Constitution at all.

But just as they did not wait for gay marriage to be legalized before starting their amendment activities, let's not wait for their amendment to be legitimized before starting our own efforts to repeal it. IF 8 stays, why waste even a moment that could be spent working to repeal it?

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

That's a hurtful generalization. I don't live in CA, so I couldn't vote on Prop 8, but I would have voted no. I am also a Christian.

I re-read what I wrote and I wasn't clear. By "they" I didn't mean all Christians and Mormons. By "they" I meant the Christians and Mormons who voted yes on 8.