Lost!

[sleepyjeff]

Whatever happened, happened my eye......in the time travel debate between Hurley(who doesn't buy whh) and Miles(a big believer in whh) Miles seemed to be full of answers but Hurley stumped him with his final question.

I agree with GD....not a very good episode...in fact, I am going to come out and say this one was the worse one this year and possibly the worse one in the past two years....no way they go thru all that trouble to save a kid that is either going to live anyway (if they really believe in the whh stuff) or if not grow up to become the man who kills, tortures, kidnaps and basically ruins the lives of all those who are trying to save him. Especially had a hard time believing that Juliet, the woman who went thru some much torment at Ben's hands(who was it again that sent Juliet's lover to his death?) would do so much to save him.....and worse yet, deliver him to the others

Maybe on re=watch I'll catch something redeeming about this episode; but as it stands now, Hurley/Miles aside, this one was a waste of valuable Lost time...imho.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh, and it's going to wipe Ben's memory?! Seriously?! That's the best they could come up with? Fvck, they might as well have had Ben build 3PO while they were at it.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Oh, and it's going to wipe Ben's memory?! Seriously?! That's the best they could come up with? Fvck, they might as well have had Ben build 3PO while they were at it.

That was actually the only thing about the episode that really bothered me - the memory wipe.

I give props to the actress who plays Kate, because I think it was her finest work. She started out this show with hardly anything to recommend her besides her natural beauty. It was well worth it to see her scene with Claire's mother. And I thought it was a simple and good reason for Kate to return to the Island after so much protesting.

And, like or hate Ben, I still think the verdict is out. If it turns out the Island is the most important thing ever, and Ben has really done nothing but serve the Island, then blame the piece of **** Island. Heh. I think I'll reevaluate how I feel about most of the characters after the series ends.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

And, like or hate Ben, I still think the verdict is out. If it turns out the Island is the most important thing ever, and Ben has really done nothing but serve the Island, then blame the piece of **** Island. Heh.

It may turn out that way, but all the characters know at this point of decision is that he's the direct cause of most of their suffering and that little boy is going to grow up to be directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people they considered friends. And even if they could see clearly enough to realize that space-time continuity meant they could in no way PREVENT him from growing up that way, no amount of motherly instinct can make me believe that any of them would be able to overlook who that boy is enough to take an active role in saving his life. Unless the island is mind-controlling them, it's nonsense.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

It may turn out that way, but all the characters know at this point of decision is that he's the direct cause of most of their suffering and that little boy is going to grow up to be directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of many people they considered friends. And even if they could see clearly enough to realize that space-time continuity meant they could in no way PREVENT him from growing up that way, no amount of motherly instinct can make me believe that any of them would be able to overlook who that boy is enough to take an active role in saving his life. Unless the island is mind-controlling them, it's nonsense.

I don't know. Conscience is a funny thing. I believe that one of them was capable of making a decision to kill a child in the name of Greater Good. And I can see on of them capable of making a decision to see an injured child and ignore the man that child becomes. Both are totally believable to me. I bought Sayid's reaction. I bought Jack's. And I bought Kate, Juliette and Sawyer's reactions.

I rather like that Sayid thought he was preventing something but instead is directly responsible for making Ben the person he turns out to be.

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

I rather like that Sayid thought he was preventing something but instead is directly responsible for making Ben the person he turns out to be.

As are Jack, Kate, Juliette, and Sawyer. If Jack had operated on Ben then maybe he would have grown up to hate the hostiles instead of join them. After all, one of them tried to kill him but he was saved by a member of Dharma. Instead, Jack doesn't operate (was that what he was brought back to do but refused his calling?) and Kate et al take him to the hostiles where he is cured, memory wiped, innocence lost. Which is what was supposed to happen because you can't change the future.

[scaeagles]

Depends.

It would seems as if their reasoning is entirely the reason why Ben Linus becomes Ben Linus. Circular, but if they don't save him in that fashion, he doesn't become who he is. If he isn't who he is, they don't have the opportunity to save him in that fashion.

I do see what you are saying, I just disagree. I wasn't a huge fan of the episode, but it wasn't because of that.

[RStar]

They should have called this episode "And Kate knocks on many doors".....

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by RStar

They should have called this episode "And Kate knocks on many doors".....

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Yeah, totally lame.

Why would the writers make Richard say "he'll never be the same, you sure you still want me to take him?" Why give them the choice, which then makes it even more stupid for them to say yes?

They tried very hard to show that Kate loves all children now due to her own experiences but I found it not only ridiculous but insulting to parents everywhere. The kid is already evil. He's already SET A VAN AND HOUSE ON FIRE TO BETRAY HIS OWN PEOPLE. And Kate/Sawyer/Juliette can't pretend these things from their past/Ben's future haven't happend, because they have.

Sure, Ben has to live, but it doesn't have to be Anakin-building-3po. They didn't have to Nuke the Fridge. Something else could have saved him.

Lame.