Lost!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Was it Jacob in the rocking chair inside the cabin a few years ago? Or was that smokey taking a human form? I forget

Unknown. The implication at the time was that the shadowy figure in the rocking chair was actually Jacob. By the time Christian and Claire showed up at the Cabin, they were strongly implicating that Jacob definitely no longer was there, but left open the question of whether the first figure we saw was Jacob, or if Jacob had ever been there.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

And of course this being Lost, and considering the slight of hand they pulled by introducing the MIB out of nowhere, maybe it'll turn out that Jack is not actually Jack, but a manifestation of some Woman in Gray who we've never been introduced to before or something.

MIB = Smoky. So I look at it as Oh look, smoky is a security system for the island and takes human form for a double doubleyou tee efff situation. Is human form smoky blocked by the sonic alarm system?

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Unknown. The implication at the time was that the shadowy figure in the rocking chair was actually Jacob. By the time Christian and Claire showed up at the Cabin, they were strongly implicating that Jacob definitely no longer was there, but left open the question of whether the first figure we saw was Jacob, or if Jacob had ever been there.

The ash circle around the cabin was broken. Maybe he was smoky in human form and since the ring was broken he escaped. We don't know when the ash ring was broken - it could have been before 815 crashed. Though that doesn't explain how Ben was able to call/control smoky in Dharmaville to kill Kermey.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

MIB = Smoky. So I look at it as Oh look, smoky is a security system for the island and takes human form for a double doubleyou tee efff situation. Is human form smoky blocked by the sonic alarm system?

I'm not satisfied by that. Smokey was never presented as a personality, more as a tool. Sure smokey seemed to have some sort of intelligence, but what we saw was very very limited. To suddenly expand that into, "Oh, actually, Somkey is a form taken by a being that's essentially on par with Jacob, previously presented as the most powerful individual in the story," was to introduce a HUGE source of power and intelligence way late in the game. A bit of a cheat IMO in that it made it entirely impossible to have been making any accurate guesses about who was running the show when.

The ash circle around the cabin was broken. Maybe he was smoky in human form and since the ring was broken he escaped. We don't know when the ash ring was broken - it could have been before 815 crashed. Though that doesn't explain how Ben was able to call/control smoky in Dharmaville to kill Kermey.

I was going to suggest that the ash circle was meant to keep Smokey IN, but Smokey was out and about the whole time they were on the island, and the ash circle wasn't broken when Locke and Ben visited. So that seems unlikely (or sloppily handled by the writers).

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Oh, was just reminded of this scanning through Lostpedia. Jacob's last words after Ben stabbed him. "They're coming", and pseudoLocke seemed surprised by him saying that.

So perhaps the temple IS the safest place to protect one's self...from MIB/Smokey, but not from whomever "They" are.

Oooh...I like it

[Ghoulish Delight]

I forgot the third option - they're all entirely deluded and never received instructions from anyone with neither Jacob nor the MIB not caring one whit what happened to them ever.


And of course this being Lost, and considering the slight of hand they pulled by introducing the MIB out of nowhere, maybe it'll turn out that Jack is not actually Jack, but a manifestation of some Woman in Gray who we've never been introduced to before or something.

[sleepyjeff]

It sorta fits with how everything has played out.

I think we understand now from Ilana's declaration that Jacob had not been in that cabin for a long time that it was the MiB who was occupying it when Locke and Ben first went there together. We know that Claire is on the same team as the MiB and/or Christian so it all makes sense looking back at Locke's solo visit to the cabin when he first meets Christian and Claire is sitting there.

The plan for the island to be moved may have had nothing to do with Keamy and the rest of Widmore's crew. It could have been part of the MiBs loophole to get Locke off the island, die and then have his body brought back to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. Maybe this is why Christian scolded Locke that -HE- was supposed to move the island, not Ben. So...when we look back to that first visit to the cabin with Locke and Ben it makes perfectly good sense that the Dark Man..MiB... said to Locke "help me."

[Ghoulish Delight]

Odds are the figure that Locke saw in the rocking chair was not Smokey because at that point the cabin was surrounded by ash, which thus far has shown no other purpose than fending off Smokey (though perhaps different ash fends off different beings). Whether that means it was actually Jacob or not is unresolvable. Though, even with just a shadowy profile, he certainly didn't look anything like Jacob as we know him now.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Odds are the figure that Locke saw in the rocking chair was not Smokey because at that point the cabin was surrounded by ash, which thus far has shown no other purpose than fending off Smokey (though perhaps different ash fends off different beings). Whether that means it was actually Jacob or not is unresolvable. Though, even with just a shadowy profile, he certainly didn't look anything like Jacob as we know him now.

Good point.

[scaeagles]

Perhaps that is who Jacob neeed to help find the island at the lighthouse....if he really needed to. There are theories of course that this was all about Jack, not anything to do with bringing anyone to the island.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Perhaps that is who Jacob neeed to help find the island at the lighthouse....if he really needed to. There are theories of course that this was all about Jack, not anything to do with bringing anyone to the island.

That's what I mostly figured, although when Hurley is concerned about the someone not finding the island now that the lighthouse is busted, Jacob says something to indicate that someone is still tying to find the island, but that may have just been to placate Hurley.