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scaeagles · 06-17-2009, 06:59 PM

Do the revelations of Sosa and positive tests for steroids do further damage to baseball, or is it old by now?

I think all positive tests for steroids should result in your records being thrown out. Just my opinion of course, and I'm not a fan, obviously. What do you hard core fans think? Mark McGuire (how do you spell McGuire????), Bonds, all of them.

Alex · 06-17-2009, 07:28 PM

I don't care as a point of baseball statistics. All the performance enhancing drugs should be legal, in my opinion. Or make Tommy John surgery and laser eye correction illegal. Every record comes with its asterisks. And at the time they were taking them (assuming they've stopped) many weren't against baseball's rules or even against the law.

What bothers me most about the Sosa news (and the A Rod news before it) is that those drug tests were only agreed to because the results were supposed to remain completely confidential.

To the extent that it is now against baseball's official rules (even if I think it shouldn't be) I agree it should be punished and harshly. But I don't hold it against the game.

Strangler Lewis · 06-18-2009, 06:12 AM

I'm not sure why Scaeagles is limiting his question to porn addicts, but I'll weigh in.

Baseball is odd in that the statistics are revered to a degree they are in no other sport even though the basic dimensions of the game are not standardized from field to field and keep changing.

Yankee Stadium was built with its short right field porch for Babe Ruth, and the ball was livened up in the '30s-1930 in particular-producing a spate of 50-homer seasons. In 1968, the mound was raised for a year, Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA and Denny McLain won 31. That was not deemed exciting, so it was lowered again. In the '90s, the ball was livened anew, ballparks got smaller and foul territory started disappearing.

I don't like the view that the owners/powers that be can turn the sport into whatever slow pitch, beer league offensive circus they want to but that players who use performance enhancing drugs somehow damage the integrity of the game. I'm un-libertarian enough to support a view that their use should be banned because they're unhealthy, kind of icky, and you don't want to be encouraging millions of young kids to use them, but I don't think statistics should be thrown out. It is, however, amusing to imagine Mark Reynolds and Adam Dunn asking to have their strikeout records thrown out because they were on drugs.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-22-2009, 01:44 PM

The freeway series was fun to watch this weekend. Not just because the Dodgers took 2 of 3 (should have won the first, that was disappointing) but particularly because it was hilarious to hear the Dodger fans out-cheering the Angels fans at Angels stadium. I can just imagine the poor confused saps in red in the stands. "What are they doing? There's no music playing. The big screen is telling them to cheer. Why are they making all of that noise? Shhhhh, I'm trying to ignore a game!!!" Wish I'd planned ahead to attend one of the games.

Kevy Baby · 06-22-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The freeway series was fun to watch this weekend. Not just because the Dodgers took 2 of 3 (should have won the first, that was disappointing) but particularly because it was hilarious to hear the Dodger fans out-cheering the Angels fans at Angels stadium.

Okay, so that wasn't just me perceiving that.
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And how is it that Manny can start playing MINOR league games before his suspension is up? That just don't seem right to me.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-22-2009, 03:19 PM

Because that's how baseball rules are written. And it makes sense to me. Not allowing him to play minor league games would effectively mean his suspension is MORE than 50 games. He can't just come back after taking 50 games off and start playing on the major league club without a minor league warmup. So it would be a bit unfair to call it a 50 game suspension and then make it impossible for him to return after 50 games.

Motorboat Cruiser · 06-27-2009, 12:24 AM

Lovin' the Dodgers right now. And not just because I watched Ethier hit 3 home runs tonight.

Alex · 06-27-2009, 07:18 AM

On the Manny question. The suspension is unpaid. Is he playing the minor league games for free or is he now on a minor league contract?

Ghoulish Delight · 06-27-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Lovin' the Dodgers right now. And not just because I watched Ethier hit 3 home runs tonight.

Watched as in at the game?

I believe Manny's playing for free.

Motorboat Cruiser · 06-27-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Watched as in at the game?

Nope, just on TV unfortunately, but we did have dodger dogs!

06-17-2009, 06:59 PM	#151
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Do the revelations of Sosa and positive tests for steroids do further damage to baseball, or is it old by now? I think all positive tests for steroids should result in your records being thrown out. Just my opinion of course, and I'm not a fan, obviously. What do you hard core fans think? Mark McGuire (how do you spell McGuire????), Bonds, all of them.
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06-17-2009, 07:28 PM	#152
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't care as a point of baseball statistics. All the performance enhancing drugs should be legal, in my opinion. Or make Tommy John surgery and laser eye correction illegal. Every record comes with its asterisks. And at the time they were taking them (assuming they've stopped) many weren't against baseball's rules or even against the law. What bothers me most about the Sosa news (and the A Rod news before it) is that those drug tests were only agreed to because the results were supposed to remain completely confidential. To the extent that it is now against baseball's official rules (even if I think it shouldn't be) I agree it should be punished and harshly. But I don't hold it against the game.
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06-18-2009, 06:12 AM	#153
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I'm not sure why Scaeagles is limiting his question to porn addicts, but I'll weigh in. Baseball is odd in that the statistics are revered to a degree they are in no other sport even though the basic dimensions of the game are not standardized from field to field and keep changing. Yankee Stadium was built with its short right field porch for Babe Ruth, and the ball was livened up in the '30s-1930 in particular-producing a spate of 50-homer seasons. In 1968, the mound was raised for a year, Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA and Denny McLain won 31. That was not deemed exciting, so it was lowered again. In the '90s, the ball was livened anew, ballparks got smaller and foul territory started disappearing. I don't like the view that the owners/powers that be can turn the sport into whatever slow pitch, beer league offensive circus they want to but that players who use performance enhancing drugs somehow damage the integrity of the game. I'm un-libertarian enough to support a view that their use should be banned because they're unhealthy, kind of icky, and you don't want to be encouraging millions of young kids to use them, but I don't think statistics should be thrown out. It is, however, amusing to imagine Mark Reynolds and Adam Dunn asking to have their strikeout records thrown out because they were on drugs. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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06-22-2009, 01:44 PM	#154
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	The freeway series was fun to watch this weekend. Not just because the Dodgers took 2 of 3 (should have won the first, that was disappointing) but particularly because it was hilarious to hear the Dodger fans out-cheering the Angels fans at Angels stadium. I can just imagine the poor confused saps in red in the stands. "What are they doing? There's no music playing. The big screen is telling them to cheer. Why are they making all of that noise? Shhhhh, I'm trying to ignore a game!!!" Wish I'd planned ahead to attend one of the games. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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06-22-2009, 03:19 PM	#156
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Because that's how baseball rules are written. And it makes sense to me. Not allowing him to play minor league games would effectively mean his suspension is MORE than 50 games. He can't just come back after taking 50 games off and start playing on the major league club without a minor league warmup. So it would be a bit unfair to call it a 50 game suspension and then make it impossible for him to return after 50 games. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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06-27-2009, 12:24 AM	#157
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Lovin' the Dodgers right now. And not just because I watched Ethier hit 3 home runs tonight.
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06-27-2009, 07:18 AM	#158
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	On the Manny question. The suspension is unpaid. Is he playing the minor league games for free or is he now on a minor league contract?
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