Dick Durbin

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Actually, I believe it is your mental gymnastics that are amazing.

It shouldn't surprise you that I am becoming less and less enamored with what you believe.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Do you believe they were instructed to beat the undercover MP?

This particular man? No, though I can't be sure. Any other detainee? I don't know. I would like to be able to say that American soldiers are not trained to act this way, but I can't. They're beating what they think is a detainee with MP training officers watching them. You tell me. No, don't... I don't have the stomach to listen to whatever excuse you're going to come up with next.

What I believe is the MP's running the drill did NOT inform their trainees that this was a drill... gross incompetence there. They nearly got one of our own killed due to their gross negligence.

So these MPs hit that room believing they were dealing with a real situation. Their actions provide us an example or how MPs treat military detainees, contrary to your continued assertions that American soldiers just don't act like that. Yet, here we are. American soldiers beating a "detainee" all the way to brain damage.

(As an aside, do you think they beat detainees like that when they're torturing them for information? And I'm just talking about the few documented cases of torture that have been brought to light. After all, we all know that torture is not systemic in US prison camps, don't we? It would seem to me to be unproductive to beat somebody all the way to brain damage if you're trying to get information out of them.)

And now let's move to the reaction from the base commanders. There was none. No action has been taken against the "brave soldiers" who pepper sprayed and beat an innocent man they "thought" was an unruly detainee.

Yes, I am SO sure other detainees are being treated properly though.

And from the Pentagon? They denied it. We were never supposed to know about this. They only acknowledged it after a lawsuit was introduced. A Pentagon that actually strives to treat detainees properly, as they claim to do, would not have swept this under the rug.

We have a systemic problem in our prison camps. We have lost our way.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

This is why they used an undercover MP, because they knew he would be beaten? That is absurd.

That idea is yours, not mine, though I am happy to agree with you that it is absurd.