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Old 07-21-2005, 05:40 PM   #1
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I finished a few days ago, and I'm so so sad. Dumbledore is possibly my favorite character ever. Michael predicted early in the book that Dumbledore would die. I vowed that if he did I would never read another Harry Potter book again. I lied. I've restarted the series. I nearly found myself crying at Dumbledore's first start of school speech.

I expected Dumbledore to die. I just thought it would be at the end of the next book. I pictured him dying in some grand way. In a way that gave Harry a final leg up at beating Voldemort. Because, frankly, I don't know how Harry is going to do it. I don't even know how he's going to manage to get past the Horcruxes. With a lot of help from Hermione probably.

This thread has given me hope that maybe Snape isn't all bad. I had just assumed that Dumbledore was pleading for Severus to do the right thing. To make his final choice as to dark or light and to make it the right choice.

When I found out that Snape might as well have killed Harry's parents himself, I figured that perhaps he's been so horrible to Harry because he serves as a constant reminder of he had done. Though I fear I might be wrong and Snape might just be really really bad. But then I think that would make Harry right all along. And what are the chances of that? I don't buy Harry being right the whole time and Dumbledore being wrong for years.

I'm glad that JKR gave Dumbledore such a nice sendoff in this book. I loved him going to the Dursleys and telling them off. I was also glad to finally get a glimpse into how powerful he was. This is by far my favorite book for the sole reason of seeing so much of Dumbledore.

In every book I find myself thinking that if Harry had only told Dumbledore everything then disaster could be avoided. If only he had given Dumbledore the spell book maybe things would be different. Harry is such a slacker for the most part. I think I'd work a bit harder if I were to fight Voldemort.

I am sooo excited that the three are going off on their own in the next book. Should be quite intense. As for the Ginny thing, I'm glad he ended it for now. He needs to have a clear head. No distractions.

I agree that these aren't really kids books anymore. When such a large portion of her audience are adults then the books should grow with that. She always said they'd get darker.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:06 PM   #2
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I'm glad that JKR gave Dumbledore such a nice sendoff in this book. I loved him going to the Dursleys and telling them off. I was also glad to finally get a glimpse into how powerful he was. This is by far my favorite book for the sole reason of seeing so much of Dumbledore.

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Oh, I loved Dumbledore vs. the Dursleys. I wonder what he meant about what they had done to Dudley, though. Hmmmm.
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:43 AM   #3
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Oh, I loved Dumbledore vs. the Dursleys. I wonder what he meant about what they had done to Dudley, though. Hmmmm.

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They have damaged Dudley by spoiling him, they have allowed him to become a bully and a brat. They have been permissive and taught him to treat others badly by their example with Harry. They have indulged him to the point where he can not function in the real world. Harry was not damaged in such a way, he still has empathy and care for others.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:27 PM   #4
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They have damaged Dudley by spoiling him, they have allowed him to become a bully and a brat. They have been permissive and taught him to treat others badly by their example with Harry. They have indulged him to the point where he can not function in the real world. Harry was not damaged in such a way, he still has empathy and care for others.
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I get that. But Heidi points out that Dudley had a severe reaction to the Dementors, which usually happens to people who have experienced severe trauma, so we wonder if maybe there's more to it than being spoiled. I think they've ruined him for a happy adulthood, regardless. But I did wonder if there was more to it than that.
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I get that. But Heidi points out that Dudley had a severe reaction to the Dementors, which usually happens to people who have experienced severe trauma, so we wonder if maybe there's more to it than being spoiled. I think they've ruined him for a happy adulthood, regardless. But I did wonder if there was more to it than that.

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Oh, I always chalked that up to being a muggle reaction. Along with being overweight and basically a coward.
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What if Dudley or his mom are actually magical and have supressed it, either consciously or unconsciously? Could explain Dudley's reaction? And the Mr's extreme loathing? I know, wild speculation.
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What if Dudley or his mom are actually magical and have supressed it, either consciously or unconsciously? Could explain Dudley's reaction? And the Mr's extreme loathing? I know, wild speculation.
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Wild, but that's *exactly* one of Heidi's theories, so it's aint' just crackpot, my friend!
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Wild, but that's *exactly* one of Heidi's theories, so it's aint' just crackpot, my friend!
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No way! I keep thinking that there has to be something more to the Dursleys. I want them to not just be bigoted morons, but to fear what they might be, that they might be "tainted," that they fear in others what they know to be in themselves. That would make them way more interesting and less mere cardboard stiffs serving as foils for Harry.
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